Fally-over houseboat ship project
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UPDATE - Burnham Departure 10.00 Monday!
Team is planning to move Llys Helig 🚢 tomorrow morning (Monday) at around 10.00 AM, as soon as the tide comes in and floats 🦬 Bison.
This will give time to get all the way down the Roach as the high tide comes in before 13.45.
Photo courtesy of Barry Watkins.
Team is planning to move Llys Helig 🚢 tomorrow morning (Monday) at around 10.00 AM, as soon as the tide comes in and floats 🦬 Bison.
This will give time to get all the way down the Roach as the high tide comes in before 13.45.
Photo courtesy of Barry Watkins.
Arnold Cunningham said:
That will have been the last time she floats on her own keel. Absolutely convinced she’ll be cut up for scrap
I really hope not, it would be a very elegant thing if restoration was completed. I have to say though, in some of the videos the owner (?) is posting, the superstructure looks very frilly in the background.dhutch said:
Where are they taking it to?Alickadoo said:
Where are they taking it to?
Rochford. Although I don't know exactly where. I believe, certainly at one point, the Bison was due to live at Southend on Sea at a place called Mike's Boatyard. But I'm just googling around the topic!
Edited by dhutch on Monday 23 January 13:38
dhutch said:
Alickadoo said:
Where are they taking it to?
Rochford. Although I don't know exactly where. I believe, certainly at one point, the Bison was due to live at Southend on Sea at a place called Mike's Boatyard. But I'm just googling around the topic!
Edited by dhutch on Monday 23 January 13:38
Looks like it.
Llys Helig successfully arrived in Rochford aboard the Bison towed by “Liberator” Tug. Tug “Assassin” was outrider for the journey.
They arrived just before high tide at about 1330 today.
Photos and videos to follow.
Thank you to everyone involved.
A big thank you all the people of Burnham and beyond with your kind words of support and for following her journey to date.
This is the start of a new and exciting phase.
Llys Helig successfully arrived in Rochford aboard the Bison towed by “Liberator” Tug. Tug “Assassin” was outrider for the journey.
They arrived just before high tide at about 1330 today.
Photos and videos to follow.
Thank you to everyone involved.
A big thank you all the people of Burnham and beyond with your kind words of support and for following her journey to date.
This is the start of a new and exciting phase.
Not the best quality, but gives the idea.
I'm not too supprising the majority of the plating below waterline is toast. She was known to be full of holes.
I believe tomorrow we learn about the internal structure, ribs etc.
The cost of steel is a significant barrier, but I really hope they can pull it off.
I'm not too supprising the majority of the plating below waterline is toast. She was known to be full of holes.
I believe tomorrow we learn about the internal structure, ribs etc.
The cost of steel is a significant barrier, but I really hope they can pull it off.
dhutch said:
Not the best quality, but gives the idea.
I'm not too supprising the majority of the plating below waterline is toast. She was known to be full of holes.
I believe tomorrow we learn about the internal structure, ribs etc.
The cost of steel is a significant barrier, but I really hope they can pull it off.
I'm not too supprising the majority of the plating below waterline is toast. She was known to be full of holes.
I believe tomorrow we learn about the internal structure, ribs etc.
The cost of steel is a significant barrier, but I really hope they can pull it off.
Bugger the material, the cost of labour is what will sink it; cutting, shaping and welding it on without turning it into a thruppny bit hull will cost a fortune even before the wob is applied. hidetheelephants said:
Bugger the material, the cost of labour is what will sink it; cutting, shaping and welding it on without turning it into a thruppny bit hull will cost a fortune even before the wob is applied. I wouldnt be supprsed if the cost of the steel is 50% of the cost of reskinning the hull.
)The writing has been on the wall right from the beginning, you can see the way every single thing has been done and the "nuances" of all the messaging.
I totally believe the owner has the desire, but unfortunatelly not the knowledge, nor the funding, to make it happen.
I reckon you need 5 million quid to even start the restoration conversation, and too make it what it needs to be, quite probably 10M +
And you're not going to spend your last 5 or 10 million on restoring an old boat - you need to be wealthy enough that those numbers are "hobby money".
So give it a week or 2 and there'll be a whole bunch of soul searching and hand wringing before an "unfortunate & regrettable decision" is made to cut her up. Or maybe park her up some unknown backwater to slowly rust away quietly. That'd be cheaper, perhaps.
It absolutely doable - on their FB page I quoted the James Craig as an example - it's an interesting story with many similarities - ie steel hulled hulk that was sunk for many years. She's a bigger and older ship than Llys Helig, but this whole plating survey - yeah, for sure, you have to do it. But to embark on it all thinking that anything more than a token amount of the plating is saveable is madness.
The approach shouldn't be, how little do we need to replace, it should be how much can we save.
The bluebird restoration was particularly interesting in this regard - their ability to turn a crumpled piece of apparent scrap into a viable panel or "thing" again was, frankly astounding. Different materials though - but if there wasn't the photo record, I almost wouldn't believe it. Amazing.
James Craig:
I totally believe the owner has the desire, but unfortunatelly not the knowledge, nor the funding, to make it happen.
I reckon you need 5 million quid to even start the restoration conversation, and too make it what it needs to be, quite probably 10M +
And you're not going to spend your last 5 or 10 million on restoring an old boat - you need to be wealthy enough that those numbers are "hobby money".
So give it a week or 2 and there'll be a whole bunch of soul searching and hand wringing before an "unfortunate & regrettable decision" is made to cut her up. Or maybe park her up some unknown backwater to slowly rust away quietly. That'd be cheaper, perhaps.
It absolutely doable - on their FB page I quoted the James Craig as an example - it's an interesting story with many similarities - ie steel hulled hulk that was sunk for many years. She's a bigger and older ship than Llys Helig, but this whole plating survey - yeah, for sure, you have to do it. But to embark on it all thinking that anything more than a token amount of the plating is saveable is madness.
The approach shouldn't be, how little do we need to replace, it should be how much can we save.
The bluebird restoration was particularly interesting in this regard - their ability to turn a crumpled piece of apparent scrap into a viable panel or "thing" again was, frankly astounding. Different materials though - but if there wasn't the photo record, I almost wouldn't believe it. Amazing.
James Craig:
Surely the entire hull gets sequentially cut out and replaced and it’ll be triggers broom, with maybe some bits of the superstructure saved.
There’s about 45T of plate steel on the surface of the hull, and I’d guess only 20T of structure behind that. Does anyone here know what grade of steel is likely to be needed and a cost/T to buy?
Let's assume there is a 50% uplift over S355, in which case it might be £2500/T to buy - so £112k for the steel plate. I would have thought that's relatively trivial compared to the labour shaping, fitting, welding that plate, and engineering and fit out costs.
There’s about 45T of plate steel on the surface of the hull, and I’d guess only 20T of structure behind that. Does anyone here know what grade of steel is likely to be needed and a cost/T to buy?
Let's assume there is a 50% uplift over S355, in which case it might be £2500/T to buy - so £112k for the steel plate. I would have thought that's relatively trivial compared to the labour shaping, fitting, welding that plate, and engineering and fit out costs.
Edited by HughG on Tuesday 7th February 12:12
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