Classic jet display rules relaxed

[Dr Jekyll]

www.air-shows.org.uk/2018/02/airshow-news-straight...

It seems that ex military jets will be allowed to do aerobatics at UK airshows, but only if they are straight winged.

Any chance of a Starfighter on the circuit?

[sidicks]

Dr Jekyll said:

www.air-shows.org.uk/2018/02/airshow-news-straight...

It seems that ex military jets will be allowed to do aerobatics at UK airshows, but only if they are straight winged.

Any chance of a Starfighter on the circuit?

Can someone who understands these things explain the logic behind this decision? Thanks

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

High energy manoeuvres in swept wing a/c require a level of skill and currency of practice not commonly found outside the Military, whereas such manoeuvres in straight winged a/c are less problematic.

[sidicks]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

High energy manoeuvres in swept wing a/c require a level of skill and currency of practice not commonly found outside the Military, whereas such manoeuvres in straight winged a/c are less problematic.

Thanks!

[Red 4]

Dr Jekyll said:

www.air-shows.org.uk/2018/02/airshow-news-straight...

It seems that ex military jets will be allowed to do aerobatics at UK airshows, but only if they are straight winged.

Any chance of a Starfighter on the circuit?

You/ve probably got more chance of seeing an x-wing fighter/ imperial cruiser.

As far as I know only a handful of F-104s are airworthy and they are in the US (mainly Florida).

The rest are in museums/ storage/ gate guard duties (which is probably the best place for them).

Aerobatics and Starfighters ... hmm. That may not end well.

I'm sure Eric will be along soon to defend their honour. (see the UFO thread in NP&E)

Edited by Red 4 on Saturday 17th February 14:35

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Red 4 said:

Aerobatics and Starfighters ... hmm. That may not end well.

You'd certainly need a shedload of airspace!

[Dr Jekyll]

Also I suspect the persuading the CAA to allow a Starfighter a permit to fly would be tricky, straight wings or not..

[Eric Mc]

The Norwegians recently restored an F104s to airworthy status.

I'd love to see an F-104 flying again. The howl they made was straight out of a Gerry Anderson TV show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QYjig2UDlE

[Tony1963]

If you want to get up close to a Starfighter in the U.K. the collection at Bruntingthorpe has one.

As far as I know, there are no flying reheat jets in the U.K. outside of the military. The CAA gets all scared.

[GliderRider]

Starfighter Aerobatic teams:

Germany - The Vikings

Belgium - The Slivers

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Both were duos, although the Vikings were preceded by an unnamed four-ship formation team.

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[Eric Mc]

The Canadian also flew a team of F-104s called "Tiger Romeo".

To be fair, they weren't so much aerobatic teams as formation teams. Still impressive though.

[V8 Fettler]

Tony1963 said:

If you want to get up close to a Starfighter in the U.K. the collection at Bruntingthorpe has one.

As far as I know, there are no flying reheat jets in the U.K. outside of the military. The CAA gets all scared.

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

[Eric Mc]

V8 Fettler said:

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

Bloody hell - talk about corporate gobbledgook.

"We have a flyable SU-22 should anyone want to make use of it" would have been fine.

[RichGault]

The guys based at Scampton? Do they still have their F4 and Bucc?

[saaby93]

Eric Mc said:

Bloody hell - talk about corporate gobbledgook.

"We have a flyable SU-22 should anyone want to make use of it" would have been fine.

'The SU22M4 is currently in storage in HHA’s RAF Scampton, undergoing regular anti-det maintenance and custodial ground runs. The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform.'

https://www.hunterteam.com/sukhoi/

[lufbramatt]

V8 Fettler said:

Tony1963 said:

If you want to get up close to a Starfighter in the U.K. the collection at Bruntingthorpe has one.

As far as I know, there are no flying reheat jets in the U.K. outside of the military. The CAA gets all scared.

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

HHA's aircraft are operated under military aviation authority ;-)

[Tony1963]

V8 Fettler said:

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

Having a fast jet in flyable condition, and having an approval for flight are two very different things indeed. I'm guessing the value to a foreign buyer is greatly enhanced by the Fitter's current state. It won't fly in UK airspace.

[Dr Jekyll]

Tony1963 said:

V8 Fettler said:

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

Having a fast jet in flyable condition, and having an approval for flight are two very different things indeed. I'm guessing the value to a foreign buyer is greatly enhanced by the Fitter's current state. It won't fly in UK airspace.

HHA's wording implies they are looking to use it on contracts, not sell it. Though if they don't get any suitable contracts this may change if it hasn't already.

[aeropilot]

Dr Jekyll said:

Tony1963 said:

V8 Fettler said:

Hawker Hunter Aviation has a Sukhoi Fitter, described as "> The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise which requires the performance and flight envelope of the SU22 platform. <"

Having a fast jet in flyable condition, and having an approval for flight are two very different things indeed. I'm guessing the value to a foreign buyer is greatly enhanced by the Fitter's current state. It won't fly in UK airspace.

HHA's wording implies they are looking to use it on contracts, not sell it. Though if they don't get any suitable contracts this may change if it hasn't already.

Correct, HHA's Buccaneer, Fitter and recently acquired ex-GAF F-4 are maintained with regard to any military contract work, as per their Hunters, and thus would be flown for Govt/MOD contract work under mil serials, and not for public displays.

[aeropilot]

Dr Jekyll said:

Also I suspect the persuading the CAA to allow a Starfighter a permit to fly would be tricky, straight wings or not..

Not a problem for a visiting aircraft, as Swedish AF Historic Flight jets have visited UK airspace as recently as last year, the Tunnan, Lansen, Draken and Viggen all transited UK through UK, enroute to Jersey for the airshow there last summer.