How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
The UK has effectively signed up to staying in the EU without political representation for 2 years after the leave date. Not only that, we won't be able to change our minds during those two years, meaning we're agreeing now to take whatever deal is agreed during transition for our end relationship. Or, no deal and bang, cliff edge. Vast majority of this agreement today is EU terms, as I always suspected it would be. It is essentially a disaster being dressed up as a victory.
Did anyone vote for this? Shouldn't we get a further say on the situation now?
Did anyone vote for this? Shouldn't we get a further say on the situation now?
esxste said:
Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
Another 500 hundred pages of we are doomed, its all a massive ballsup or we need another vote because (insert this weeks reason ...here...) while between the UK and the EU more agreements are made, more negotiations are completed, more problems are solved and more common ground is found.
marvellous.
marvellous.
esxste said:
From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything
Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
They have kindly allowed us to negotiate new trade deals but they can only come into force with the agreement of the rEU or when we leave. At least Mr Fox now has a job. Let’s see how good he is at it.Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
The rEU have also been clear the TM cake, eat it and unicorns plan is dead. Its Canada or nothing.
Now all the UK needs to do now is:
1. Work out a solution to the Irish border and
2. Build the software and infrastructure to keep the channel border open and
3. Convince France to build the software and infrastructure to keep the channel border open and
4. Lots and lots of other stuff.
I will take a small bet the transition deal will be extended, and extended and extended.
From a personal point of view I would be happy with just a one year’s extension.
Edited by Mrr T on Monday 19th March 17:03
Vanden Saab said:
Another 500 hundred pages of we are doomed, its all a massive ballsup or we need another vote because (insert this weeks reason ...here...) while between the UK and the EU more agreements are made, more negotiations are completed, more problems are solved and more common ground is found.
marvellous.
You're far too sensible.marvellous.
Bill said:
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.
It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
Well said. It's being dressed up again of course but to me it's looking as though we will either get the cliff edge the hard liners crave or a Swiss/Norway style arrangement that suits nobody, meanwhile the can continues to be kicked down the road. It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
Bill said:
esxste said:
Well on our way to a fudge of a brexit that makes no-one happy.
I can't see how anyone would expect anything else. 35% of the population wanted to stay, 28% couldn't be arsed voting and the 37% who wanted out (assuming none of them were protest votes...) are split between hard/soft/somewhere between.It was always going to be a massive balls up, even before May chucked away a majority trying to get a mandate.
I wonder though whether the fudge leaves too many too unhappy. If that is the result and the Government can't sell the deal to its various factions, then we will go for a no-deal cliff-edge or end up remaining after a second referendum. I swing between the two; currently I suspect we will end up not managing a deal. But who knows?
esxste said:
From what little details I've gleaned from the BBC about this transitional deal, it seems like the EU is getting its way on everything
May capitulating in stages Due to government unprepardness a transition deal was required though, and is likely to be the only thing of value to the UK from the "negotiations".
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