ANNOYING THINGS PEOPLE DO ON PLANES

[anonymous-user]

captain_cynic said:

El stovey said:

The fit and seats and seat pitch and width and how the blinds are controlled depends entirely on the airline and how they’ve kitted it out.

Saying you avoid a 787 because of the economy fit is like saying you avoid buying all cars, because you don’t like Audi.

I would agree to a point. However a major part of my problem with the B787 is the lack of window recesses and the lack of window shades because the system they use is completely ineffective and only floods the cabin with blue light. No matter how good the kit out, these are problems inherent to the air frame, so the best airline in the world can't change them.

I suspect that the piezo-electric window shades will be depreciated from the next version of the aircraft given the negative feedback from airlines.

And I'd never buy an Audi

The window darkness depends on which generation of windows are on the aircraft and are actually very popular with passengers in my airline according to feedback.

https://apex.aero/2016/11/10/lighter-faster-darker...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 18th January 11:49

[captain_cynic]

El stovey said:

captain_cynic said:

El stovey said:

The fit and seats and seat pitch and width and how the blinds are controlled depends entirely on the airline and how they’ve kitted it out.

Saying you avoid a 787 because of the economy fit is like saying you avoid buying all cars, because you don’t like Audi.

I would agree to a point. However a major part of my problem with the B787 is the lack of window recesses and the lack of window shades because the system they use is completely ineffective and only floods the cabin with blue light. No matter how good the kit out, these are problems inherent to the air frame, so the best airline in the world can't change them.

I suspect that the piezo-electric window shades will be depreciated from the next version of the aircraft given the negative feedback from airlines.

And I'd never buy an Audi

The window darkness depends on which generation of windows are on the aircraft and are actually very popular with passengers in my airline according to feedback.

The windows can never be opaque, the technology just doesn't allow for it and they're quite unpopular. So much so ANA had to purchase portable window shades for them.

All in all, the 787 is a terrible aircraft for travellers in any class.

[anonymous-user]

captain_cynic said:

The windows can never be opaque, the technology just doesn't allow for it and they're quite unpopular. So much so ANA had to purchase portable window shades for them.

All in all, the 787 is a terrible aircraft for travellers in any class.

I don’t know about ANA but apparently you’re incorrect about them installing shades.

https://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/06/do-boeing-...

Passengers in my airline say they like the windows and it sounds like you’re describing the older first generation windows that may be on some older 787s.

Passengers will actually pay more to fly in a 787 and it’s definitely a very popular aircraft, so your view isn’t widely shared.

[Tallow]

El stovey said:

The fit and seats and seat pitch and width and how the blinds are controlled depends entirely on the airline and how they’ve kitted it out.

Saying you avoid a 787 because of the economy fit is like saying you avoid buying all cars, because you don’t like Audi.

True about the seat pitch, but the width is something that's much harder to vary, broadly speaking.
JAL are the only airline that has fitted Y seats 8 abreast (which was the design intent of Boeing). Every single other operator AIUI operates 9 abreast.

[Butter Face]

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

[bad company]

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

That’d be me. After whatever period sitting uncomfortably I just want to stand up at the end of a flight. My back is usually aching.

Why does that make me an idiot?

[recordman]

Nothing wrong in standing up once the seat belt sign has been turned off, especially if you're in an aisle seat. Don't pull on the back of the seat in front though!!

[nonsequitur]

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

For those afraid of flying, standing up is a welcome relief once on the ground and positive proof that you are still alive and you are going to walk away from this flight.

[Butter Face]

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

For those afraid of flying, standing up is a welcome relief once on the ground and positive proof that you are still alive and you are going to walk away from this flight.

Except you’re not, you’re still on a plane, like you have been for 4 hours, the thing could still blow up and kill you all. Standing up in the aisle with your bag on your back moaning about how long it’s taking to get the steps ready isn’t going to get you back on terra firma any quicker.

Sit down. Wait for the doors to open, get up, leave plane. Simple.

[Butter Face]

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

For those afraid of flying, standing up is a welcome relief once on the ground and positive proof that you are still alive and you are going to walk away from this flight.

Except you’re not, you’re still on a plane, like you have been for 4 hours, the thing could still blow up and kill you all. Standing up in the aisle with your bag on your back moaning about howling it’s taking to get the steps ready isn’t going to get you back on terra firma any quicker.

Sit down. Wait for the doors to open, get up, leave plane. Simple.

[Butter Face]

bad company said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

That’d be me. After whatever period sitting uncomfortably I just want to stand up at the end of a flight. My back is usually aching.

Why does that make me an idiot?

You’re aware that you can get up at pretty much any point of the flight? Hell, you can even walk from one end of the plane to another.

Standing up and queuing in the aisle marks you out as either impatient, stupid or both IMO. You still have to get off, still have to get through passport control, still have to get your bags. Sit down and wait until they ask you to disembark rather than clogging up the aisles.

[Munter]

Butter Face said:

Except you’re not, you’re still on a plane, like you have been for 4 hours, the thing could still blow up and kill you all. Standing up in the aisle with your bag on your back moaning about howling it’s taking to get the steps ready isn’t going to get you back on terra firma any quicker.

Sit down. Wait for the doors to open, get up, leave plane. Simple.

One a plane yes. But no longer forced to put your legs in an uncomfortable position. Now you can stand and actually straighten your legs. Ohh the blessed relief.

[bad company]

Butter Face said:

bad company said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

That’d be me. After whatever period sitting uncomfortably I just want to stand up at the end of a flight. My back is usually aching.

Why does that make me an idiot?

You’re aware that you can get up at pretty much any point of the flight? Hell, you can even walk from one end of the plane to another.

Standing up and queuing in the aisle marks you out as either impatient, stupid or both IMO. You still have to get off, still have to get through passport control, still have to get your bags. Sit down and wait until they ask you to disembark rather than clogging up the aisles.

Thanks for your opinions which are obviously wrong. I’ll continue to stand for some periods during and as soon as possible after the flight. Why does it bother you? As you say standing doesn’t get you through the airport any quicker.

[Butter Face]

bad company said:

Butter Face said:

bad company said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

That’d be me. After whatever period sitting uncomfortably I just want to stand up at the end of a flight. My back is usually aching.

Why does that make me an idiot?

You’re aware that you can get up at pretty much any point of the flight? Hell, you can even walk from one end of the plane to another.

Standing up and queuing in the aisle marks you out as either impatient, stupid or both IMO. You still have to get off, still have to get through passport control, still have to get your bags. Sit down and wait until they ask you to disembark rather than clogging up the aisles.

Thanks for your opinions which are obviously wrong. I’ll continue to stand for some periods during and as soon as possible after the flight. Why does it bother you? As you say standing doesn’t get you through the airport any quicker.

It doesn’t bother me. I just think it’s a stupid thing that people do on planes, it happened today and it reminded me of this thread.

And, oh no, someone on the internet doesn’t agree with my opinion so says it’s wrong, oh noooo [/sarcasm]

[Butter Face]

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

For those afraid of flying, standing up is a welcome relief once on the ground and positive proof that you are still alive and you are going to walk away from this flight.

Except you’re not, you’re still on a plane, like you have been for 4 hours, the thing could still blow up and kill you all. Standing up in the aisle with your bag on your back moaning about how long it’s taking to get the steps ready isn’t going to get you back on terra firma any quicker.

Sit down. Wait for the doors to open, get up, leave plane. Simple.

As a cabin crew member for many decades believe me, that is what they are thinking.

Did you not ever feel like telling them they’re still standing on a 70+ ton pile of metal and jet engines rather than on the concrete outside?

Good on you for doing that job BTW, after witnessing some of the absolute numbskulls that fly around the world with TUI I can’t imagine the hassle that cabin crew have to put up with. Kudos.

[Some Guy]

El stovey said:

Passengers will actually pay more to fly in a 787 and it’s definitely a very popular aircraft, so your view isn’t widely shared.

I wouldn't. Flown on the 787 twice now and the bloody thing rattles like an old bus.
I still love the old 747 though.

[nonsequitur]

Butter Face said:

Did you not ever feel like telling them they’re still standing on a 70+ ton pile of metal and jet engines rather than on the concrete outside?

Good on you for doing that job BTW, after witnessing some of the absolute numbskulls that fly around the world with TUI I can’t imagine the hassle that cabin crew have to put up with. Kudos.

[Vipers]

Butter Face said:

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

nonsequitur said:

Butter Face said:

Standing up as soon as the plane lands. It’s just weird. You won’t get anywhere any faster, sit down and wait for the doors to open you idiots.

For those afraid of flying, standing up is a welcome relief once on the ground and positive proof that you are still alive and you are going to walk away from this flight.

Except you’re not, you’re still on a plane, like you have been for 4 hours, the thing could still blow up and kill you all. Standing up in the aisle with your bag on your back moaning about how long it’s taking to get the steps ready isn’t going to get you back on terra firma any quicker.

Sit down. Wait for the doors to open, get up, leave plane. Simple.

As a cabin crew member for many decades believe me, that is what they are thinking.

Did you not ever feel like telling them they’re still standing on a 70+ ton pile of metal and jet engines rather than on the concrete outside?

Good on you for doing that job BTW, after witnessing some of the absolute numbskulls that fly around the world with TUI I can’t imagine the hassle that cabin crew have to put up with. Kudos.

Standing up can pay dividends. Flying Premier Economy, first class board as they use the same door, then us.

Usually when you land Premier Economy are asked to remain seated so first class can disembark first.

Lalst time I instinctivly stood up, followed by the rest of Premier Economy, steward said to his partner, "Whoops we forgot to tell them remain seated", we first off followed by all the other Premier Economy passengers, poor old first class had to wait, bless.

[poing]

Vipers said:

Premier Economy

When I become ruler of Earth I'm going to ban stupid terms like this. It's either one or the other, something that is both is quite clearly neither and should be labeled as such. In fact I'm just going to use marketing people in a more useful way to stop this nonsense, perhaps they would be useful for scientific test subjects.

Sorry, side topic mini rant that should be in the stupid things marketing monkeys say!

[schmalex]

Vipers said:

Standing up can pay dividends. Flying Premier Economy, first class board as they use the same door, then us.

Usually when you land Premier Economy are asked to remain seated so first class can disembark first.

Lalst time I instinctivly stood up, followed by the rest of Premier Economy, steward said to his partner, "Whoops we forgot to tell them remain seated", we first off followed by all the other Premier Economy passengers, poor old first class had to wait, bless.

What carrier was that with? I fly, probably, 40 - 50 long and ultra long haul sectors a year in first or business across a multitude of carriers. Every flight I take, the cabin crew keep the dividing curtains to the rest of the aircraft closed to allow first and business off before the rest of the plane disembarks.