Tornado To Be Axed

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ecsrobin

17,023 posts

164 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
I left the RAF in 1990! And I was never into that RAF chat stuff. Makes me shudder even now.
It’s weird in the RAF I never used half the lingo that people used. However in my new role there’s a good mix of RAF and Navy and nautical lingo has crept in to the point all of us now make wets, pop to the heads and everyone is shipmate rofl

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Ex-RAF, army and navy on the whole where I've been for the last nine years, and I still shun it 🙂

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
Yeah, just as driverless cars have taken the world by storm. It'll be a few decades yet.
Given that manned jets seem to be in service for a few decades, I fully expect the next generation to be pilotless, or at least flown from the ground. Be kinda sad but it makes a great deal of practical sense.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
kurt535 said:
I feel any manned combat aeroplane is on its last legs with the advent of drones and computing power......
Yeah, just as driverless cars have taken the world by storm. It'll be a few decades yet.
unmanned doesn't necessarily mean fully automated, although automation in aircraft shouldn't be too groundbreaking... We could call it auto-pilot...

Wouldn't weapon carrying drones whose weapons are under the direct control of ground forces rather than pilots/controllers have some battlefield advantages, ie the drone just loiters until called upon?

Yertis

18,016 posts

265 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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hairyben said:
unmanned doesn't necessarily mean fully automated, although automation in aircraft shouldn't be too groundbreaking... We could call it auto-pilot...

Wouldn't weapon carrying drones whose weapons are under the direct control of ground forces rather than pilots/controllers have some battlefield advantages, ie the drone just loiters until called upon?
This is where it all gets a bit contentious. Does the drone loitering in autonomous mode have the ability to defend itself autonomously? At what point does it decide it is being threatened, and by what or whom? I think I read some stuff going on in S Korea at the moment re killer robots – we need to think very carefully about where we go from here. Skynet, HKs etc yikes

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Yertis said:
This is where it all gets a bit contentious. Does the drone loitering in autonomous mode have the ability to defend itself autonomously? At what point does it decide it is being threatened, and by what or whom? I think I read some stuff going on in S Korea at the moment re killer robots – we need to think very carefully about where we go from here. Skynet, HKs etc yikes
at this point we can delay it, as a drone carrying a few weapons is a lot more disposable than a piloted aircraft.

Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

74 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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The swarm drone “Perdix” deployed ..

https://youtu.be/OixSNQp0S_k


Ref. https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2...


Oh, talking about RPV/drones...



eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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CrutyRammers said:
Tony1963 said:
Yeah, just as driverless cars have taken the world by storm. It'll be a few decades yet.
Given that manned jets seem to be in service for a few decades, I fully expect the next generation to be pilotless, or at least flown from the ground. Be kinda sad but it makes a great deal of practical sense.
Didn't they say back in the '50's that the lightning was going to be the last manned interceptor....biggrin

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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eccles said:
Didn't they say back in the '50's that the lightning was going to be the last manned interceptor....biggrin
yes


CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Past performance is no indicator of future performance wink Now there are *actually* unmanned aircraft in front-line service, and the forces (well, air and sea at least) are actively researching and demonstrating unmaned (and sometimes autonomous) vehicles.

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Unmaned?

Poor lions frown

Yertis

18,016 posts

265 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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rolleyeshehe

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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The current unmanned aircraft are loiterers with no enemy in the air. Nasty buggers, yes. Fighter aircraft, no.


MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Sunday 8th April 2018
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telecat said:
I also feel the 35 just isn't a GA aircraft.
You don't think the Joint Strike Fighter will do GA ?

aeropilot

34,299 posts

226 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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MartG said:
telecat said:
I also feel the 35 just isn't a GA aircraft.
You don't think the Joint Strike Fighter will do GA ?
I suspect he's saying that it's not JUST a GA aircraft, which is true.

Trouble is, there's high level GA and there's real close-in GA........and the F-35 (in any version) is never going to do that latter - despite the USAF saying it's going to replace the A-10, which almost everyone except USAF top brass knows is largely bks.....



maffski

1,866 posts

158 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
The current unmanned aircraft are loiterers with no enemy in the air. Nasty buggers, yes. Fighter aircraft, no.


This fully autonomous aircraft does not loiter, and has been going toe-to-toe (wingtip-to-wingtip?) with fighter aircraft for 60 years.

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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maffski said:


This fully autonomous aircraft does not loiter, and has been going toe-to-toe (wingtip-to-wingtip?) with fighter aircraft for 60 years.
Oh dear. Bellend comment of the day.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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maffski said:


This fully autonomous aircraft does not loiter, and has been going toe-to-toe (wingtip-to-wingtip?) with fighter aircraft for 60 years.
Hmmm - you could just as well claim that a bullet from a machine gun was "fully autonomous" once it leaves the barrel.

yellowjack

17,065 posts

165 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Hmmm - you could just as well claim that a bullet from a machine gun was "fully autonomous" once it leaves the barrel.
Sometimes, if you whistle loud enough, they'll come back... yes

maffski

1,866 posts

158 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
Oh dear. Bellend comment of the day.
Fancy telling me why it isn't an autonomous aircraft?