Massive train timetabling amendments
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Anywaaay,
Getting a bit back on topic and ignoring V8F’s wibble, below is a link to the excellent London Reconnections site which looks deeply into the whole sorry saga. Focus is on Thameslink but it will be a similar tale of woe for the other rail companies affected.
Seems the roots for this disastrous episode were planted many years ago and should have been foreseen years ago but hey! I’m a scumbag tube driver so what do I know?
https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/holy-grai...
Ffs, 3 minutes late! Still better than Thameslink!
Getting a bit back on topic and ignoring V8F’s wibble, below is a link to the excellent London Reconnections site which looks deeply into the whole sorry saga. Focus is on Thameslink but it will be a similar tale of woe for the other rail companies affected.
Seems the roots for this disastrous episode were planted many years ago and should have been foreseen years ago but hey! I’m a scumbag tube driver so what do I know?
https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/holy-grai...
Ffs, 3 minutes late! Still better than Thameslink!
Edited by valiant on Tuesday 19th June 11:55
Edited by valiant on Tuesday 19th June 11:55
Stedman said:
Rest Day Working had dried up on TL until recently so the 'reliance' on it isn't true 100%. Obviously now it will go through the roof again.
I had a read of that....it looks like many years in the making and many hands in the pot. Any industry that relies on 'overtime' working seems mad to me.mcdjl said:
I had a read of that....it looks like many years in the making and many hands in the pot. Any industry that relies on 'overtime' working seems mad to me.
RDW on TL and SN up until about 18 months ago was a case of 'take your pick', there was too much to cover. I know SN at one point covered 22-28% (I can't remember exactly the %) of service on RDW! RDW isn't a problem as such but the over reliance of it was/is. It's the nature of the beast though, other industries need some flexibility of staff working overtime to cover XYZ. https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/holy-grai...
That makes for fascinating reading and I wish I could go into detail as to why it actually doesn't go quite deep enough to convey the full horror of miss-management that's led up to the current debacle. Sadly, I can't. But it's truly horrible
That makes for fascinating reading and I wish I could go into detail as to why it actually doesn't go quite deep enough to convey the full horror of miss-management that's led up to the current debacle. Sadly, I can't. But it's truly horrible
Stedman said:
Rest Day Working had dried up on TL until recently so the 'reliance' on it isn't true 100%. Obviously now it will go through the roof again.
Where does you information come from? At no point in my experience of TL has rest day working ever truly dried upV8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
If rail freight is so effective, then why does it rely on the ORR to set the charges paid to Network Rail to ensure that rail freight doesn't go bankrupt?
It doesn't.You are taking a small section of the total costing and shouting from the rooftops.
There are several layers to the billing and you are only looking at 1 &2.
No pics of these automatic electric vehicles transporting the freight I mentioned, then ?
NOT THE TOTAL AMOUNT PAYABLE !!!!!
V8 Fettler said:
Self-driving HGVs already permitted on US Highways http://www.freightlinerinspiration.com/newsroom/pr...
Remind me which country we are in (or planet you are on)V8 Fettler said:
Elon Musk claims battery HGVs with 500 mile range by 2019 https://www.smartrailworld.com/sustainability/tesl...
Still no pics of the automatic electric vehicles with the loads I mentioned.
Do you need a reminder ?
tight5 said:
Show me one moving 100,000 litres of petrol/diesel/aviation fuel.
Show me one moving a 40 foot shipping container.
Show me one moving 70 tons of coal.
Show me one moving Hydrocyanic acid.
Show me one moving a 40 foot shipping container.
Show me one moving 70 tons of coal.
Show me one moving Hydrocyanic acid.
V8 Fettler said:
In reality, the carriage of freight is a sideshow compared to passenger traffic into London.
Wrong.V8 Fettler said:
given the demonstrable incompetence of the rail sector
I just had an ironygasmV8 Fettler said:
the workforce's demonstrable disdain for passengers, it's probably best to rip up all the tracks.
After all the info we've given you, you still resort to this ?Unions next ?
Kinda ironic that you two have offered little-nothing.
What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
tight5 said:
saaby93 said:
Anyone else surprised tight5 brought it back again
It seemed to be succesfully back onto timetabling
Haven't you got to bang on about closing some level crossings ?It seemed to be succesfully back onto timetabling
Obviously I could bang on about level crossings but there are plenty of other threads for that
It was interesting to see more about the timetabling
saaby93 said:
Sorry for calling you out, I was just surprised that's all
Ask a question and i'll answer it if i can.But, when someone that has no idea what he's talking about, blames all the current mess on people like me, then too right i'm gonna put the correct info out there.
Even though these people don't want to know the true facts.
legzr1 said:
Kinda ironic that you two have offered little-nothing.
What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
Not sure what that has to do with it. Why wasn't it raised under a new thread ?What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
Why shouldn't I be able to come on to this thread and expect it to be about the subject ?
What's the point of having posts made on this thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with it - others might be interested in contributing to the discussion if they knew it even existed.
Robertj21a said:
Why shouldn't I be able to come on to this thread and expect it to be about the subject ?
First time a PH tread has gone on a tangent.
Robertj21a said:
Why wasn't it raised under a new thread ?
Why not start a new thread ?saaby93 said:
Sorry for calling you out, I was just surprised that's all
After having some reflection time, I would like to apologize to Mr (?) Sabby93.I took what you said in the wrong way.
Given the attack on my grade, my sector and my industry, I have been over defensive.
Sorry.
mcdjl said:
V8 Fettler said:
The relative capacity and flow calculations are on the Transport Watch website. I doubt if local authorities would be responsible for the new roads running on the track beds.
No, but if local authorities won't take on roads which are 'rarely less than 7m wide ' then the high ways agencies definitely won't! It's strange that your autonomous lorry doesn't seem to get a mention after 2015, still needs a driver and that the electric lorry doesn't exist yet and relies on Elon 'ambitious timing' Musk.
Tesla battery lorry already on the road, other lorry manufacturers also developing battery lorries https://electrek.co/guides/tesla-semi/
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
tight5 said:
V8 Fettler said:
If rail freight is so effective, then why does it rely on the ORR to set the charges paid to Network Rail to ensure that rail freight doesn't go bankrupt?
It doesn't.You are taking a small section of the total costing and shouting from the rooftops.
There are several layers to the billing and you are only looking at 1 &2.
No pics of these automatic electric vehicles transporting the freight I mentioned, then ?
NOT THE TOTAL AMOUNT PAYABLE !!!!!
V8 Fettler said:
Self-driving HGVs already permitted on US Highways http://www.freightlinerinspiration.com/newsroom/pr...
Remind me which country we are in (or planet you are on)V8 Fettler said:
Elon Musk claims battery HGVs with 500 mile range by 2019 https://www.smartrailworld.com/sustainability/tesl...
Still no pics of the automatic electric vehicles with the loads I mentioned.
Do you need a reminder ?
tight5 said:
Show me one moving 100,000 litres of petrol/diesel/aviation fuel.
Show me one moving a 40 foot shipping container.
Show me one moving 70 tons of coal.
Show me one moving Hydrocyanic acid.
Show me one moving a 40 foot shipping container.
Show me one moving 70 tons of coal.
Show me one moving Hydrocyanic acid.
V8 Fettler said:
In reality, the carriage of freight is a sideshow compared to passenger traffic into London.
Wrong.V8 Fettler said:
given the demonstrable incompetence of the rail sector
I just had an ironygasmV8 Fettler said:
the workforce's demonstrable disdain for passengers, it's probably best to rip up all the tracks.
After all the info we've given you, you still resort to this ?Unions next ?
If autonomous lorries work in the US then national borders aren't going to stop the introduction elsewhere, welcome to the realities of globalisation.
Perhaps a 600 mile range for the Tesla lorry https://electrek.co/2018/05/02/tesla-semi-producti...
I won't be jumping over hurdles with your examples, but here's a lorry capable of carrying a 40ft container
Average cost of annual rail season ticket to commute into London approx £3.5k, approx 1 million rail commuters travel into London each day. If all London rail commuters bought annual season tickets then total annual income generated from rail commuters into London is approx £3.5 billion.
Annual turnover for rail freight is approx £0.8 billion, it's a subsidised sideshow.
The automation of public transport may well lead to a substantial drop in headcount, welcome to the real world.
Robertj21a said:
legzr1 said:
Kinda ironic that you two have offered little-nothing.
What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
Not sure what that has to do with it. Why wasn't it raised under a new thread ?What’s Tight5 supposed to do when faced with absolute crap and folly in reply to one of his posts?
Ignore it and wait for input from you two?
As it happens, there have been several links to the same source from several members basically detailing exactly what Rail workers (and ex-workers) have been saying since the start of this thread.
Give it a click...
Why shouldn't I be able to come on to this thread and expect it to be about the subject ?
What's the point of having posts made on this thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with it - others might be interested in contributing to the discussion if they knew it even existed.
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