The new US-Mexico border migrant policy.

[BlackLabel]

There is being tough on illegal immigration and then there is this - separating young children from their parent(s) and then holding them in cages in the desert!! Wtf!!!



Jeff Sessions, the US attorney general, defended separating children from their parents at the Mexican border by invoking a Biblical verse previously used to argue in favour of slavery. According to US Customs and Border Protection more than 650 children were taken away from their parents in a two-week period in May after the families were caught sneaking into America illegally. It was part of a new "zero tolerance" policy Mr Sessions announced last month to detain and prosecute all illegal immigrants, ending so-called "catch and release" under which they were released while awaiting court proceedings

Children separated from parents at US border held in cages in Texas warehouse

Melania Trump and Laura Bush join debate over children separated from families at US-Mexico border

UN attacks 'unconscionable' US-Mexico border policy as Republicans join calls to end family segregation

[mko9]

You don't put juveniles in with the adult population in prisons. How is Immigration detention any different? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

[Shakermaker]

mko9 said:

You don't put juveniles in with the adult population in prisons. How is Immigration detention any different? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

I suggest you read more about what is happening. Its much ado about a considerable amount more than nothing

[Trax]

Shakermaker said:

I suggest you read more about what is happening. Its much ado about a considerable amount more than nothing

I tend to agree its not right, but it isn't 'The new' policy.

[mko9]

Shakermaker said:

mko9 said:

You don't put juveniles in with the adult population in prisons. How is Immigration detention any different? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

I suggest you read more about what is happening. Its much ado about a considerable amount more than nothing

As I understand it, when they are captured after entering the country illegally, the kids are separated from the adults and sent to a juvenile faclity. The adults go to an adult facility. After processing, they all eventually get deported. What am I missing that is "a considerable amount more than nothing"?

[esxste]

Trax said:

I tend to agree its not right, but it isn't 'The new' policy.

The law is the same.

The policy has changed.

The policy was to not incarcerate adults travelling with children, but to summons them to court and release.

The policy now is to incarcerate everyone, and as minors can not be prosecuted or put in jail, must instead be looked after by the US state.

In this case the "looking after" appears to be putting them in cages.

[mko9]

esxste said:

In this case the "looking after" appears to be putting them in cages.

What do you expect detention to look like? How do you propose the US govenrnment look after them and keep track of them?

[rscott]

mko9 said:

Shakermaker said:

mko9 said:

You don't put juveniles in with the adult population in prisons. How is Immigration detention any different? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

I suggest you read more about what is happening. Its much ado about a considerable amount more than nothing

As I understand it, when they are captured after entering the country illegally, the kids are separated from the adults and sent to a juvenile faclity. The adults go to an adult facility. After processing, they all eventually get deported. What am I missing that is "a considerable amount more than nothing"?

That in at least one case , the parent was deported, but the child remained in the US with no way for the parent to be reunited with them... (can't locate the link at present, unfortunately)

[mko9]

rscott said:

mko9 said:

Shakermaker said:

mko9 said:

You don't put juveniles in with the adult population in prisons. How is Immigration detention any different? Seems like much ado about nothing to me.

I suggest you read more about what is happening. Its much ado about a considerable amount more than nothing

As I understand it, when they are captured after entering the country illegally, the kids are separated from the adults and sent to a juvenile faclity. The adults go to an adult facility. After processing, they all eventually get deported. What am I missing that is "a considerable amount more than nothing"?

That in at least one case , the parent was deported, but the child remained in the US with no way for the parent to be reunited with them... (can't locate the link at present, unfortunately)

You're proving my point for me, here.

[rscott]

mko9 said:

You're proving my point for me, here.

?
How ? By pointing out that your claim isn't entirely correct?

[mko9]

By pointing out that one time there was a problem that is easily correctable. Unlike your post that says there was "no way for the parent to be reunited with them". Because apparently airplanes stopped working?

[rscott]

mko9 said:

By pointing out that one time there was a problem that is easily correctable. Unlike your post that says there was "no way for the parent to be reunited with them". Because apparently airplanes stopped working?

No, because the parent doesn't know where their child is or have any legal means to request their return.

[StottyGTR]

I don't think the previous catch and release policy was any good and I don't think this policy is either. There has to be a better solution.

[Tryke3]

Border patrol separates the children from their parents by saying the kids are going for a bath, just like in nazi germany....must be pretty st world to think that is even ok to think these kids should be kept in cages like that. You would think a country that likes to police the world and thinks of itself as the mightiest military force of them all, should be able to police its own borders without actually needing a deterrent like that. Guarding its own backyard with the millions of active service personnel and the trillions spent on on defence it should be a piece of cake.


The middle classes have spoken, its all OK, depressing but true

Edited by Tryke3 on Tuesday 19th June 23:56

[philv]

The second tney cross tne boarder they are breaking US law.

[gizlaroc]

This is Brittany Hughes who has been reporting on this for about 5 years now.

Not sure on the channel she is on, looks a bit meh.

But anyway, she covers some good points......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPB6Ye5brus&t=...

[RobDickinson]

philv said:

The second tney cross tne boarder they are breaking US law.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-05-01/how-does-seeking-asylum-work-us-border

"“The one thing that has to be clear is that these people are not openly defying our border. They are not breaking the law,” she says. “In fact they're doing it the right way. They're doing it the way that the law permits to seek asylum like any other refugee in the world."

[PRTVR]

RobDickinson said:

philv said:

The second tney cross tne boarder they are breaking US law.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-05-01/how-does-seeking-asylum-work-us-border

"“The one thing that has to be clear is that these people are not openly defying our border. They are not breaking the law,” she says. “In fact they're doing it the right way. They're doing it the way that the law permits to seek asylum like any other refugee in the world."

One subject I have little knowledge of but doesn't it work by the first safe country from your home country, not keep going till you get to the country of your choice ?

[petemurphy]

utterly sickening what is happening have no idea why decent Americans are not doing something about it

[Heartworm]

PRTVR said:

One subject I have little knowledge of but doesn't it work by the first safe country from your home country, not keep going till you get to the country of your choice ?

This ain't the EU, and that's EU rules.