Incredibly cool photos of trains
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ianrb said:
Interesting photo! At first glance I took it to be a UP 4-8-8-4 Big Boy, but it's obviously not. I didn't know so many large articulated locos had been built. I can see my morning disappearing as I chase down links in Wikipedia.
Here goes your morning....http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locolo...
Probably not the right thread for this post, but I am sure somebody will help.
On 27.12.18. I saw two low-loaders heading East near the North Wales border with England. The first had a black steam locomotive on board with a 4 digit white number on a board on the front. The second low-loader contained its black tender and I am sure it had "U S A" written on the side (maybe US Army?). It was sort of a "Black 5" size of locomotive. Can anyone help identify it from these scraps of information?
EDIT: just answered my own post by way of Google. It was an American S160 class locomotive usually located at Churnet Valley Railway, Staffordshire. They apparently have two of these (5197 & 6046). Probably been visiting another railway over Christmas.
On 27.12.18. I saw two low-loaders heading East near the North Wales border with England. The first had a black steam locomotive on board with a 4 digit white number on a board on the front. The second low-loader contained its black tender and I am sure it had "U S A" written on the side (maybe US Army?). It was sort of a "Black 5" size of locomotive. Can anyone help identify it from these scraps of information?
EDIT: just answered my own post by way of Google. It was an American S160 class locomotive usually located at Churnet Valley Railway, Staffordshire. They apparently have two of these (5197 & 6046). Probably been visiting another railway over Christmas.
Edited by LotusOmega375D on Tuesday 8th January 14:08
rs1952 said:
RichB said:
There's a picture of 73092 at Waterloon in 6th July 1967 heading a boat train to Southampton
https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p304530418/h22F127A1...
And here's one of mine showing the engine (aka steam leak on wheels by then, as so many were) at Weymouth on Saturday 8th July working the 1212 stopper to Bournemouth:https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p304530418/h22F127A1...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/93122458@N08/8467960...
That report from Yertis is also confirmed in another way. All redundant SR steam that survived until the end were gathered together at Salisbury depot by the start of the next week. I went down on the Thursday (14th July 1967) and none of the locomotives he lists were there.
Salisbury
14/07/1967
D6331
D6503
30072
30064
34006
34056
76067
73155
73043
73118
34032
80143
73093
30069
80139
30067
73065
76005
34018
73029
34021
80133
80152
41312
80071
80146
76006
34024
34025
34089
76011
34087
76007
82019
34108
80015
34090
34104
34098
75077
76066
76031
34060
75074
80016
82029
D6585
D6594
Edited by rs1952 on Monday 7th January 23:55
LotusOmega375D said:
Probably not the right thread for this post, but I am sure somebody will help.
On 27.12.18. I saw two low-loaders heading East near the North Wales border with England. The first had a black steam locomotive on board with a 4 digit white number on a board on the front. The second low-loader contained its black tender and I am sure it had "U S A" written on the side (maybe US Army?). It was sort of a "Black 5" size of locomotive. Can anyone help identify it from these scraps of information?
EDIT: just answered my own post by way of Google. It was an American S160 class locomotive usually located at Churnet Valley Railway, Staffordshire. They apparently have two of these (5197 & 6046). Probably been visiting another railway over Christmas.
possibly something like this? On 27.12.18. I saw two low-loaders heading East near the North Wales border with England. The first had a black steam locomotive on board with a 4 digit white number on a board on the front. The second low-loader contained its black tender and I am sure it had "U S A" written on the side (maybe US Army?). It was sort of a "Black 5" size of locomotive. Can anyone help identify it from these scraps of information?
EDIT: just answered my own post by way of Google. It was an American S160 class locomotive usually located at Churnet Valley Railway, Staffordshire. They apparently have two of these (5197 & 6046). Probably been visiting another railway over Christmas.
Edited by LotusOmega375D on Tuesday 8th January 14:08
https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/usatc...
ETA- hah looks like you got there first
Edited by lufbramatt on Tuesday 8th January 14:44
Yertis said:
rs1952 said:
A whole bunch of loco numbers
Interesting that no MNs in that lot. I've a photo of a couple being hauled away at Andover in the August.It goes to show how the memory can play tricks and/or events get misreported at the time. I am sure that I read back then that all SR steam stock was assembled at Salisbury for onward transfer to the South Wales scrapyards but that list, and especially the lack of MNs on it, show that that was manifestly not the case (or at least it wasn't on the Thursday after final withdrawal the previous Saturday and Sunday). Here are some photographs from that visit (and yes the quality is crap but I was 15 at the time using a Kodak Instamatic
)
Edited by rs1952 on Tuesday 8th January 17:16
warch said:
rs1952 said:
A couple of this type of locomotive have been repatriated from Poland for use on UK Heritage railways.
rs1952 said:
I only recently got hold of that information again after 50 years. A friend still had his trainspotting books whilst mine had gone in a mass clear-out in 1970 when I left home. He said he was going to "digitise" the info when he retired, and I wanted to look at the books to fill in some gaps in my history (all I had to go on was my photographs and if I didn't take any on a trip I'd have forgotten about it), so I took his data and put it into a spreadsheet.
It goes to show how the memory can play tricks and/or events get misreported at the time. I am sure that I read back then that all SR steam stock was assembled at Salisbury for onward transfer to the South Wales scrapyards but that list, and especially the lack of MNs on it, show that that was manifestly not the case (or at least it wasn't on the Thursday after final withdrawal the previous Saturday and Sunday).
The book I mentioned confirms what you said though – Weymouth just happened to be where those trains set out from. And the very very last BR steam-hauled train on the Southern terminated there.It goes to show how the memory can play tricks and/or events get misreported at the time. I am sure that I read back then that all SR steam stock was assembled at Salisbury for onward transfer to the South Wales scrapyards but that list, and especially the lack of MNs on it, show that that was manifestly not the case (or at least it wasn't on the Thursday after final withdrawal the previous Saturday and Sunday).
rs1952 said:
warch said:
rs1952 said:
A couple of this type of locomotive have been repatriated from Poland for use on UK Heritage railways.
lufbramatt said:
The 2 that ended up at Ashford survived into preservation and live at the Kent+East Sussex railway. Apparently in service they suffered with poor bearing lubrication on long journeys, having been designed as switchers (shunters) which saved them from being scrapped as they couldn't complete the journey to the scrapyard and ended up stuck at Tonbridge. One of them hauled the Santa Special we took the kids on just before Christmas
And they were certainly nowhere near Salisbury in July 1967. Here's another crap photo of the pair of them stored and out of use outside Ashford works on 17th August 1967:
Yertis said:
rs1952 said:
I only recently got hold of that information again after 50 years. A friend still had his trainspotting books whilst mine had gone in a mass clear-out in 1970 when I left home. He said he was going to "digitise" the info when he retired, and I wanted to look at the books to fill in some gaps in my history (all I had to go on was my photographs and if I didn't take any on a trip I'd have forgotten about it), so I took his data and put it into a spreadsheet.
It goes to show how the memory can play tricks and/or events get misreported at the time. I am sure that I read back then that all SR steam stock was assembled at Salisbury for onward transfer to the South Wales scrapyards but that list, and especially the lack of MNs on it, show that that was manifestly not the case (or at least it wasn't on the Thursday after final withdrawal the previous Saturday and Sunday).
The book I mentioned confirms what you said though – Weymouth just happened to be where those trains set out from. And the very very last BR steam-hauled train on the Southern terminated there.It goes to show how the memory can play tricks and/or events get misreported at the time. I am sure that I read back then that all SR steam stock was assembled at Salisbury for onward transfer to the South Wales scrapyards but that list, and especially the lack of MNs on it, show that that was manifestly not the case (or at least it wasn't on the Thursday after final withdrawal the previous Saturday and Sunday).
An extract from my BR Steam Allocations database (still available to the public at a large fee - see my website
) tells me that there were 84 steam locomotives still in service on the Southern in July 1967. Add to that the few that were withdrawn in the previous couple of months and you get a total going towards 100 (34006. for example, was withdrawn in February 1967 but was still cluttering up Salisbury MPD in July). I wonder whether there was physically enough room at Salisbury for that lot, especially when you take into account that the depot was being used as diesel stabling and servicing point at the time as well.I have become increasingly wary of some "factual" books about railways back then, because they have been shown to rely on other authors or sources of information that were themselves inaccurate. The most extreme of these surround the disposal of the BR steam fleet, where some of the information in some of these weighty tomes have turned out to be utter rubbish. (More details here if anyone is interested: https://www.whatreallyhappenedtosteam.co.uk/what-r...
So what I am saying is the fact that this assembly at Salisbury is mentioned in the book could be no more than that was what was reported in the railway press at the time. Whether it was actually the case is another matter.
Anyway, for anyone who has kept reading this far, here is a list of locomotives on the SR that lasted through to the end. The shed codes shown are pre-1963 ones and are: 70A Nine Elms 70C Guildford 71A Eastleigh 71B Bournemouth 72B Salisbury. Weymouth lost it fixed allocation in March 1967 but was of course still involved with steam until the end.
No Jun-67 Jul-67 Class
30064 71A WD USA 0-6-0T
30067 71A WD USA 0-6-0T
30069 71A WD USA 0-6-0T
30071 71A WD USA 0-6-0T
30072 70C WD USA 0-6-0T
34001 70A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34004 71B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34008 70A WD WC/BB 4-6-2
34013 72B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34018 70A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34021 70A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34023 70A WD WC/BB 4-6-2
34024 71B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34025 71B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34034 70A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34036 70A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34037 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34040 71B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34047 71B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34052 72B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34060 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34087 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34089 72B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34090 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34093 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34095 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34098 71A WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34100 72B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
34102 71A WD WC/BB 4-6-2
34104 71A WD WC/BB 4-6-2
34108 72B WD WC/BB (Rebuilt) 4-6-2
35003 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35007 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35008 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35013 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35023 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35028 70A WD MN 4-6-2
35030 70A WD MN 4-6-2
41224 71B WD Ivatt 2-6-2T
41298 70A WD Ivatt 2-6-2T
41312 70A WD Ivatt 2-6-2T
41319 70A WD Ivatt 2-6-2T
41320 71B WD Ivatt 2-6-2T
73020 70C WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73029 70A WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73037 70A WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73043 70A WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73065 70A WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73085 70A WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73092 70C WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73093 70C WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73118 70C WD Standard 5 4-6-0
73155 70C WD Standard 5 4-6-0
75068 71A WD Standard 4 4-6-0
75074 71A WD Standard 4 4-6-0
75075 71A WD Standard 4 4-6-0
75076 71A WD Standard 4 4-6-0
75077 71A WD Standard 4 4-6-0
76005 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76006 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76007 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76009 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76011 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76026 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76031 70C WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76064 71A WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76066 71A WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76067 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-0
76069 70C WD Standard 4 2-6-0
77014 70C WD Standard 3 2-6-0
80011 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80015 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80016 71A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80085 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80133 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80134 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80139 71A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80140 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80143 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80145 70A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80146 71B WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
80152 71A WD Standard 4 2-6-4T
82019 70A WD Standard 3 2-6-2T
82029 70A WD Standard 3 2-6-2T
Flying Phil said:
WD stands for "War Department" .....essentially locomotives ordered by,and for use by the military both in the UK and on the continent after D Day. After the war many were then bought for service by the LMS,SR,LNER and GWR.
Yes but as I just said in the previous post, it cannot apply to WC/BB and BR locos... 
RichB said:
Flying Phil said:
WD stands for "War Department" .....essentially locomotives ordered by,and for use by the military both in the UK and on the continent after D Day. After the war many were then bought for service by the LMS,SR,LNER and GWR.
Yes but as I just said in the previous post, it cannot apply to WC/BB and BR locos... Flying Phil said:
RichB said:
Flying Phil said:
WD stands for "War Department" .....essentially locomotives ordered by,and for use by the military both in the UK and on the continent after D Day. After the war many were then bought for service by the LMS,SR,LNER and GWR.
Yes but as I just said in the previous post, it cannot apply to WC/BB and BR locos... In this context it is actually an abbreviation of "withdrawn". An extract from the full database appears below showing how the spreadsheet is structured, with engine numbers down the left hand side and months along the top. So, in the example, class H no. 31265 shows as being withdrawn in July1960.
Of course, as I applied a filter to show all locomotives in SR steam sheds that were still open in June 1967, the last full month of service, they would all be showing as withdrawn (WD) in July. And the fact that the cell shading was lost in the copying and pasting exercise added to the confusion. Whilst it all made perfect sense to me I failed to appreciate that not everybody knows my database inside out like I do
Edited to add that further apologies are now due to the two posters who posted just after me, no doubt typing as I posted, thereby keeping the speculation going! Hopefully its all explained now
n.
Edited by rs1952 on Wednesday 9th January 20:31
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