Mach Loop Typhoon ‘Incident’.
Discussion
Anyone know what the crack is with a Typhoon in the Mach Loop today?
A number of Facebook groups are going bats
t crazy because of a video posted by someone of something that apparently happened today which has caused agro within the MOD.
One group is banning members who dare to share a video clip!
A number of Facebook groups are going bats
t crazy because of a video posted by someone of something that apparently happened today which has caused agro within the MOD.One group is banning members who dare to share a video clip!
Typhoon pulling out of the loop after passing through the valley and doing a few rolls while going vertical? Even a couple of RAF pilots have posted on the twitter post saying "we know when we go through there it will likely end up on film".
Sounds like a load of self appointed plonkers making a fuss over something only they care about.
Sounds like a load of self appointed plonkers making a fuss over something only they care about.
Took 2 seconds to find the video on Twitter. 250k views.
Sad that the woman is getting abuse from, ahem, 'veteran loopers' about some so called unwritten rules of photographing/filming in the loop. I've read many a photography thread and guide about the Loop and have never seen that mentioned, and in any case, it's nobody but the pilots fault, clearly.
Sad that the woman is getting abuse from, ahem, 'veteran loopers' about some so called unwritten rules of photographing/filming in the loop. I've read many a photography thread and guide about the Loop and have never seen that mentioned, and in any case, it's nobody but the pilots fault, clearly.
Edited by ukaskew on Thursday 25th October 03:11
I don’t do Twitter hence couldn’t find the video.
I have now seen it - whilst great to watch it does appear to have been a rather silly thing to do beating in mind that some Loopers practically live in the mountainside & will record/photograph anything that moves.
The amount of abuse thrown at the lady was staggering & completely out of order. The culprits are blaming her for potentially ending the pilots flying career because they have an unwritten rule that anything footage of afterburner use, power climbs etc will not be posted anywhere.
She is being blamed for also potentially having all flying through the Loop being halted.
I have now seen it - whilst great to watch it does appear to have been a rather silly thing to do beating in mind that some Loopers practically live in the mountainside & will record/photograph anything that moves.
The amount of abuse thrown at the lady was staggering & completely out of order. The culprits are blaming her for potentially ending the pilots flying career because they have an unwritten rule that anything footage of afterburner use, power climbs etc will not be posted anywhere.
She is being blamed for also potentially having all flying through the Loop being halted.
If otherwise intelligent pilots have it in their minds that footage of them breaking the rules won't be shared, then they're even more arrogant than they were in the 1980s when I was a spanner monkey for Crab Air.
It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
“I think the problem here is that as all the regular mach loop photographers were still climbing the hill with all there thousands of pounds "look at me" cameras and lenses and you got probably one of the best vids iv seen on your phone”
https://twitter.com/northeastskys/status/105497932...
Nailed it
https://twitter.com/northeastskys/status/105497932...
Nailed it
I'm not seeing the problem myself. The pilots know there's always a bunch of people hanging out in the hills with cameras so if they do something silly it's guaranteed there'll be footage of it posted somewhere on the interwebz.
The hate from the "veteran loopers" (
wtf!?) is simply jealousy and butthurt that they didn't shoot the footage themselves to share on their pathetic private FB groups to all have a good old tug over.
The hate from the "veteran loopers" (
wtf!?) is simply jealousy and butthurt that they didn't shoot the footage themselves to share on their pathetic private FB groups to all have a good old tug over.The Brummie said:
I don’t do Twitter hence couldn’t find the video.
I have now seen it - whilst great to watch it does appear to have been a rather silly thing to do beating in mind that some Loopers practically live in the mountainside & will record/photograph anything that moves.
The amount of abuse thrown at the lady was staggering & completely out of order. The culprits are blaming her for potentially ending the pilots flying career because they have an unwritten rule that anything footage of afterburner use, power climbs etc will not be posted anywhere.
She is being blamed for also potentially having all flying through the Loop being halted.
That sounds like they should be on the Walt thread! How is someone who wanders up a hill with an iPhone meant to know the rules that the saddo anoraks make up?I have now seen it - whilst great to watch it does appear to have been a rather silly thing to do beating in mind that some Loopers practically live in the mountainside & will record/photograph anything that moves.
The amount of abuse thrown at the lady was staggering & completely out of order. The culprits are blaming her for potentially ending the pilots flying career because they have an unwritten rule that anything footage of afterburner use, power climbs etc will not be posted anywhere.
She is being blamed for also potentially having all flying through the Loop being halted.
Scabutz said:
What was wrong with what the pilot did though? The rolls?
It may be the angle of the footage but he looked much lower doing those tight turns than most footage I've seen through there.Is that (and the climb with rolls) not all logged anyway? Surely they couldn't get away with that, footage or not?
Twitter videos dont seem to work for me and Fire fox 
She does seem to be out of touch though.
Is it really necessary to post up everything or are some things best quiet about
Her feed does seem to have a lot about A/C.
'❤️ my boy, my friends, my dog, my cat, horses & things that fly, especially Tonkas. Head of Education Recruitment, CI with 70sqn ATC & School Enterprise Advisor'
She does seem to be out of touch though.
Is it really necessary to post up everything or are some things best quiet about
Her feed does seem to have a lot about A/C.
'❤️ my boy, my friends, my dog, my cat, horses & things that fly, especially Tonkas. Head of Education Recruitment, CI with 70sqn ATC & School Enterprise Advisor'
ukaskew said:
Scabutz said:
What was wrong with what the pilot did though? The rolls?
It may be the angle of the footage but he looked much lower doing those tight turns than most footage I've seen through there.Is that (and the climb with rolls) not all logged anyway? Surely they couldn't get away with that, footage or not?
saaby93 said:
She does seem to be out of touch though.
Is it really necessary to post up everything or are some things best quiet about
Out of touch with what? Some arcane 'rules' from the saddest men on earth...'the mach loop veterans'? Is it really necessary to post up everything or are some things best quiet about
If I took a video of something happening in a public place then I'd put it online if I wanted to.
If you don't want something to potentially be filmed then dont do it in the public eye.
Tony1963 said:
If otherwise intelligent pilots have it in their minds that footage of them breaking the rules won't be shared, then they're even more arrogant than they were in the 1980s when I was a spanner monkey for Crab Air.
It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
I know the guy, he is a solid and decent pilot but unfortunately made a bit of an error of judgement here and will no doubt be polishing some Axminster carpet for the foreseeable.It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
Where I disagree with you is that once he’s signed for the aircraft it really is his (or hers)... we had this debate on ops a year or so back when we were debating who holds risk at certain times. Ultimately the pilot (in this case) or crew (in my case) are always holding the risk, which is why there’s such a stringent, lengthy and expensive selection process.
If the aircrew decide that “the juice is worth the squeeze” i.e. they need to do something that could break rules or break the aircraft in order to get a job done, then ultimately the choice is always with them because you rarely have either the time or the comms to ask!
But anyway, it doesn’t apply in this case because fairly obviously an error of judgement was made and he’ll have to deal with the consequences.
frodo_monkey said:
Tony1963 said:
If otherwise intelligent pilots have it in their minds that footage of them breaking the rules won't be shared, then they're even more arrogant than they were in the 1980s when I was a spanner monkey for Crab Air.
It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
I know the guy, he is a solid and decent pilot but unfortunately made a bit of an error of judgement here and will no doubt be polishing some Axminster carpet for the foreseeable.It's not the pilot's aircraft, he didn't pay for the fuel, and he doesn't have to foot the bill for maintenance.
It's lovely to see such flying, but arrogant pilots really get my goat.
(Apologies to all the solid, decent pilots out there)
Where I disagree with you is that once he’s signed for the aircraft it really is his (or hers)... we had this debate on ops a year or so back when we were debating who holds risk at certain times. Ultimately the pilot (in this case) or crew (in my case) are always holding the risk, which is why there’s such a stringent, lengthy and expensive selection process.
If the aircrew decide that “the juice is worth the squeeze” i.e. they need to do something that could break rules or break the aircraft in order to get a job done, then ultimately the choice is always with them because you rarely have either the time or the comms to ask!
But anyway, it doesn’t apply in this case because fairly obviously an error of judgement was made and he’ll have to deal with the consequences.
WinstonWolf said:
What did he actually do wrong? I just like looking at the pictures and vids, I've no idea what the rules are
For fast jets, unless doing Operational Low Flying where the rules are different (three areas, Borders, Highland and Wales - but not inc the Mach Loop) you need to maintain 250ft MSD (= minimum separation distance). Which he *may* have scraped in the video - note that I don’t know, you’d need to do some analysis. Then there’s obviously the other bit. The other more pertinent answer would be “getting caught”
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