Kuznetsov damaged when drydock sinks

[MartG]

Bit of an 'oops'

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russias-only-aircr...

[GT03ROB]

Doesn't have a lot of luck does it!

[BrettMRC]

Sounds horrendous - wonder what happened?

[Kccv23highliftcam]

They appear to be blaming "power outage" during refloating effort [pic from link below...]

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24547/huge-fl...

"The floating dry-dock where Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov was being upgraded has ‘sunk completely’, damaging the vessel and potentially killing workers according to Russian media.

“The floating dock has already sunk completely,” a source told TASS. It was earlier reported that the floating dock sank partially.

According to latest reports, four people were seriously injured in the incident and another is reportedly missing.

The accident reportedly happened as the Admiral Kuznetsov was to be taken out of the dry dock. The ship has now been towed to the nearby Sevmorput Yard No 35, yard press spokesman Yevgeny Gladyshev told Interfax. He makes clear that a power outage was what caused the accident.

United Shipbuilding Corporation’s chief, Alexei Rakhmanov, said to state media:

“Obviously when a 70-ton crane crashes on the deck there could be damage, but preliminary reports show that the damage that the ship has suffered is not significant.”

There has been several cases of power outages all over the region recently, including in the cities of Severomorsk and Murmansk.

Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Tuesday 30th October 13:22

[DMN]

Sounds like it hit a crane on its way out and pulled the crane onto itself.

Sadly one person reported missing.

[Krikkit]

Interesting that they don't have a decent-sized traditional dry-dock available, I would've thought they'd have several.

Hopefully the injuries/fatalities will be minimal, but it sounds like a horrible situation.

[williamp]

Someone pulls the plug out. Good old fashionned espionage??

[anonymous-user]

williamp said:

Someone pulls the plug out. Good old fashionned espionage??

Or just a leaky old "dry" dock, which, when the power failed and the pumps stopped, sank.........

[andy97]

Krikkit said:

Interesting that they don't have a decent-sized traditional dry-dock available, I would've thought they'd have several.

Hopefully the injuries/fatalities will be minimal, but it sounds like a horrible situation.

My memory (which may be fallible, its been a while!) is that all the large traditional dry docks (for ships of this size) used by the former Soviet Navy were in the Ukraine, and so Russia has none of its own

[Krikkit]

andy97 said:

Krikkit said:

Interesting that they don't have a decent-sized traditional dry-dock available, I would've thought they'd have several.

Hopefully the injuries/fatalities will be minimal, but it sounds like a horrible situation.

My memory (which may be fallible, its been a while!) is that all the large traditional dry docks (for ships of this size) used by the former Soviet Navy were in the Ukraine, and so Russia has none of its own

Apparently it's at the Navy's Sevmorput 35 yard, which doesn't have dry docks big enough.

Presumably they have other formerly military ship-building plants which could have handled it, but have now been converted to civilian production and now unsuitable.

ETA: And all the large carriers which were built in the past were all done in the Ukraine, you're absolutely right.

[ecsrobin]

“A crane has fallen onto the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, the flagship of the Russian Navy undergoing a refitting overhaul in Murmansk, leaving a hole above the waterline that measures 4 by 5 meters, said Alexei Rakhamnov, the head of Russia's United Shipbuilding Corporation.”

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201810301069345805-...

[goldieandblackie]

Mind you we can't laugh here either with brand new warships that can't operate in warmer waters and captains reversing subs into sand banks.

[MartG]

Another article examining the wider impact of the drydock's sinking

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24572/russias...

I'm wondering - do they have the salvage capability to raise it themselves, or will they have to call in outside help ?

Edited by MartG on Saturday 3rd November 17:17

[MartG]

Looks like it's going to be a while...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/russia...

[ecsrobin]

Looks like the repairs will take even longer as the ship is on fire following some welding. Reports of 2-3 missing/dead.

https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/12/fire-breaks-...

[Badgerboy]

Perhaps they have finally given up and decided to torch it as an insurance job?

It's not had the happiest of lives, terminal reliability issues.

[hidetheelephants]

Badgerboy said:

Perhaps they have finally given up and decided to torch it as an insurance job?

It's not had the happiest of lives, terminal reliability issues.

The russians have terminal reliability issues because they have a ~15% larger defence budget than the UK but have more than twice as much equipment and 4 times the headcount. Champagne ambitions on a beer budget.

[Southerner]

hidetheelephants said:

Badgerboy said:

Perhaps they have finally given up and decided to torch it as an insurance job?

It's not had the happiest of lives, terminal reliability issues.

The russians have terminal reliability issues because they have a ~15% larger defence budget than the UK but have more than twice as much equipment and 4 times the headcount. Champagne ambitions on a beer budget.

And yet everyone's still terrified of them! Only takes one missile that actually works, I suppose...

[bloomen]

hidetheelephants said:

The russians have terminal reliability issues because they have a ~15% larger defence budget than the UK but have more than twice as much equipment and 4 times the headcount. Champagne ambitions on a beer budget.

I wonder what their wage bill would be. It may well equal out to ours when you throw in all of those conscripted farm boys.

[Teddy Lop]

Southerner said:

hidetheelephants said:

Badgerboy said:

Perhaps they have finally given up and decided to torch it as an insurance job?

It's not had the happiest of lives, terminal reliability issues.

The russians have terminal reliability issues because they have a ~15% larger defence budget than the UK but have more than twice as much equipment and 4 times the headcount. Champagne ambitions on a beer budget.

And yet everyone's still terrified of them! Only takes one missile that actually works, I suppose...

its complex, a gobsh!te with a point to prove is in many ways a much bigger threat than the kung fu master sat in the corner who could take the entire pub out without spilling his pint.