Girl, 15, died of 'abdominal injury' in Solent boat crash
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Bugger.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-53...
Really focus the mind on the risks, as well as the importance of keeping a good look out at high speeds.
Daniel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-53...
Really focus the mind on the risks, as well as the importance of keeping a good look out at high speeds.
Daniel
Dreadful accident and a sad loss of life.
It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
That particular stretch of water is a 'high speed' area just prior to the speed restriction before the mouth of the river Itchen. We do a lot of speed trials in that section as we can use the markers for timing and measuring purposes.
Arguments can be made on how an experienced coxswain should have seen the marker and been aware of the general surroundings, but things can get very out of hand, very fast. Maybe they had to make an avoidance turn with an approaching Red Jet Cat', or loss of situational awareness as they were playing in the wake of the bigger ferries.
Southampton VTS are located at the mouth of the Itchen, so maybe they have footage which would be of great importance to the investigation team.
I've been bashed about on various RIBs, but that must have been a horrible situation
Arguments can be made on how an experienced coxswain should have seen the marker and been aware of the general surroundings, but things can get very out of hand, very fast. Maybe they had to make an avoidance turn with an approaching Red Jet Cat', or loss of situational awareness as they were playing in the wake of the bigger ferries.
Southampton VTS are located at the mouth of the Itchen, so maybe they have footage which would be of great importance to the investigation team.
I've been bashed about on various RIBs, but that must have been a horrible situation
pequod said:
It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
Or was distracted? Either way he's in deep poo, possibly jail.There was something in the press about video footage showing the vessel not changing course. Apparently it’s been pulled of social media and is with the Marine Accident Investigation lot. Not been out in the Solent for years but as a yachtie those things were always covering ground literally at a rate of knots.
Terrible stuff.
Terrible stuff.
Racing Sparrow said:
That particular stretch of water is a 'high speed' area just prior to the speed restriction before the mouth of the river Itchen. We do a lot of speed trials in that section as we can use the markers for timing and measuring purposes.
Arguments can be made on how an experienced coxswain should have seen the marker and been aware of the general surroundings, but things can get very out of hand, very fast. Maybe they had to make an avoidance turn with an approaching Red Jet Cat', or loss of situational awareness as they were playing in the wake of the bigger ferries.
Southampton VTS are located at the mouth of the Itchen, so maybe they have footage which would be of great importance to the investigation team.
I've been bashed about on various RIBs, but that must have been a horrible situation
The old VTS building on Dock Head was demolished earlier this year and port control are now in a new building with ABP on Atlantic Way. VTS probably still have cctv covering that stretch as it is the entrance to the River Itchen and the upper reaches of Southampton Water which have speed restrictions beyond Dock Head.Arguments can be made on how an experienced coxswain should have seen the marker and been aware of the general surroundings, but things can get very out of hand, very fast. Maybe they had to make an avoidance turn with an approaching Red Jet Cat', or loss of situational awareness as they were playing in the wake of the bigger ferries.
Southampton VTS are located at the mouth of the Itchen, so maybe they have footage which would be of great importance to the investigation team.
I've been bashed about on various RIBs, but that must have been a horrible situation
Whatever, something tells me this an accident borne from unusual circumstances.
I went on “The Beast” on a cold Spring day last year.
The driver (pilot or captain) of the boat was more focused on dicking about and catching wakes to soak the passengers than anything else. On one occasion he bounced off one wake and crashed into another and the boat became a submarine as we entered the water and popped back up stationary. The driver went from laughing his head off to looking like a ghost and after a moment apologized and we carried on at a more sedate speed.
Based on that experience, I can see how these accidents can happen.
The driver (pilot or captain) of the boat was more focused on dicking about and catching wakes to soak the passengers than anything else. On one occasion he bounced off one wake and crashed into another and the boat became a submarine as we entered the water and popped back up stationary. The driver went from laughing his head off to looking like a ghost and after a moment apologized and we carried on at a more sedate speed.
Based on that experience, I can see how these accidents can happen.
I expect most are reasonable careful, atleast to start, but with all of these things (both amatur boat owner, and as professional) you soon become bored and or complacent. Sloppiness, external pressures, and unnecessary risk creep in, human nature.
As said, while I think it is worth sharing to highlight the risks, the MAIB report is where the real information will come.
Daniel
As said, while I think it is worth sharing to highlight the risks, the MAIB report is where the real information will come.
Daniel
h0b0 said:
I went on “The Beast” on a cold Spring day last year.
The driver (pilot or captain) of the boat was more focused on dicking about and catching wakes to soak the passengers than anything else. On one occasion he bounced off one wake and crashed into another and the boat became a submarine as we entered the water and popped back up stationary. The driver went from laughing his head off to looking like a ghost and after a moment apologized and we carried on at a more sedate speed.
Based on that experience, I can see how these accidents can happen.
Amazed you could see the driver given he is sat above everybody. Been on it three times and never had an issue as it’s the crew that are ducking about not the driver.The driver (pilot or captain) of the boat was more focused on dicking about and catching wakes to soak the passengers than anything else. On one occasion he bounced off one wake and crashed into another and the boat became a submarine as we entered the water and popped back up stationary. The driver went from laughing his head off to looking like a ghost and after a moment apologized and we carried on at a more sedate speed.
Based on that experience, I can see how these accidents can happen.
Was in Southampton water when this happened although didn’t see it. It was quiet and pretty calm so I suspect driver error or mechanical failure. Watched them leave Ocean Village many times and looks like fun but obviously accidents happen
Hmm. That sounds a bit like you are calling custard. Fortunately, I supplied a photo.........
The day we went out the boat was nearly empty with most sitting up front. Using the photo as reference, do you think people at the front would be able to see the driver by turning around? Further, if the boat had just stopped and was now drifting........do you think the passengers might turn around and look?
Final piece of information, my office for 4 years over looked the full length of the Hudson River and I have seen the beast thousands of times. Not once had I seen an incident similar to what I experienced. The whole situation wasn’t horrifying and I have tickets to go again when they reopen. My point was that the driver clearly got carried away with trying to get us wet and he knew he f’d up. Given away by the apology.
The day we went out the boat was nearly empty with most sitting up front. Using the photo as reference, do you think people at the front would be able to see the driver by turning around? Further, if the boat had just stopped and was now drifting........do you think the passengers might turn around and look?
Final piece of information, my office for 4 years over looked the full length of the Hudson River and I have seen the beast thousands of times. Not once had I seen an incident similar to what I experienced. The whole situation wasn’t horrifying and I have tickets to go again when they reopen. My point was that the driver clearly got carried away with trying to get us wet and he knew he f’d up. Given away by the apology.
PistonHeads has gone to an odd place if someone is doubting if I could see the driver of a boat.
As the stock photo wasn’t sufficient to demonstrate something that no one gives a s
t about except Craig........
Fortunately, here is a poor screen grab from a video.
Even at the very low angle it clearly shows my 5 year old can see the driver.
Craig, may we get back to the sad situation of a 15 year old dying and not you randomly accusing me lying?
As the stock photo wasn’t sufficient to demonstrate something that no one gives a s
t about except Craig........Fortunately, here is a poor screen grab from a video.
Even at the very low angle it clearly shows my 5 year old can see the driver.
Craig, may we get back to the sad situation of a 15 year old dying and not you randomly accusing me lying?
MAIB report, and some stills from the video footage from the ferry. Tragic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qzbIyz3aI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qzbIyz3aI
pequod said:
Dreadful accident and a sad loss of life.
It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
Negligence springs to mind, considering skipper crossed a ferry's wake at top speed on a direct path into the buoy.It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
I presume the fatal abdominal injuries were sustained by hitting the back of the seat in front of her. There were other very serious injuries but it's surprising no-one else was killed.
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