Girl, 15, died of 'abdominal injury' in Solent boat crash
Discussion
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
I know the chap who was piloting the R.I.B. on this gig. He’s having some serious issues dealing with it. He’s a top bloke, and this is one hell of a thing to have to deal with. I’m sure the inquiry will find out exactly what’s what.
course you do. New poster suddenly on every thread goingThe guidance mentioned in the report appears to be on this page https://www.britishmarine.co.uk/Services/Business-... This can be compared with the interim report and it can be seen what they mean by saying it wasnt operated to the Code of Practice. How many staff were on board?
Chrisgr31 said:
The guidance mentioned in the report appears to be on this page https://www.britishmarine.co.uk/Services/Business-... This can be compared with the interim report and it can be seen what they mean by saying it wasnt operated to the Code of Practice. How many staff were on board?
As I said above treat with caution, there are blurred lines here.The relevant code of practice as a mandatory requirement is the SCV issued by MCA not a voluntary COP issued by a non statutory body.
CoolHands said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
I know the chap who was piloting the R.I.B. on this gig. He’s having some serious issues dealing with it. He’s a top bloke, and this is one hell of a thing to have to deal with. I’m sure the inquiry will find out exactly what’s what.
course you do. New poster suddenly on every thread goingdvs_dave said:
I agree. Suspect poster suddenly popping up everywhere. Hallmarks of a trollbot.
Or someone who happens to live exactly where these guys were based ( Ocean Village in Southampton) and regularly talked to the guys who ran these outings, in the Marina side Bar / restaurant ( pitcher and piano). Who knew? I mean what are the chances?
The R.I.B. was moored on the jetty in the top of the picture there.
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Sunday 23 May 18:04
pequod said:
Dreadful accident and a sad loss of life.
It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
This sounds like the excuses people on here made for the chap driving like a maniac in torrential rain who crashed head on into a pregnant women’s car , killing her. It will be interesting to read the MAIB report how this happened, in broad daylight and fair conditions, as I am at a loss how a professional skipper could collide with a large metal channel buoy without some catastrophic failure with the mechanics of the RIB or he had medical issues and lost consciousness?
“Must have been a car fault” maybe he took ill at the wheel “ etc.
Sometimes people are dicks , sometimes people make basic errors.
Iwantafusca said:
This sounds like the excuses people on here made for the chap driving like a maniac in torrential rain who crashed head on into a pregnant women’s car , killing her.
“Must have been a car fault” maybe he took ill at the wheel “ etc.
Sometimes people are dicks , sometimes people make basic errors.
I believe he may have been distracted by the red funnel ferry, who’s wake he was using when he hit the buoy.“Must have been a car fault” maybe he took ill at the wheel “ etc.
Sometimes people are dicks , sometimes people make basic errors.
This is a commercial outfit. I refuse to use the term professional. They are operating a business that uses a major shipping channel to provide thrills to members of the public. It's like offering high speed pillion rides around the M25.
Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
I went on a similar boat in Corsica, and had a lovely trip until we were nearly back to port when the driver managed to get it airborne and it landed with a belly flop. I've no idea what the damage to the back of a middle aged lady was, but she wasn't able to stand up when we got back and I'd not be surprised if she suffered a significant injury.
It was a shame, everyone on board was enjoying themselves until then when the driver got a bit too enthusiastic.
It was a shame, everyone on board was enjoying themselves until then when the driver got a bit too enthusiastic.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Pastie Bloater said:
Do any of those seats have restraints? It doesn't look like it.
Does the skippers?
No restraints as such, just the handles on the sausage seats.Does the skippers?
I suppose the last thing you want in a boat (that can sink) is to be strapped in.
Stick Legs said:
This is a commercial outfit. I refuse to use the term professional. They are operating a business that uses a major shipping channel to provide thrills to members of the public. It's like offering high speed pillion rides around the M25.
Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
The mandatory licencing in France etc does not result in fewer accidents or fatalities in the leisure sector, I'd rather the UK was not burdened with pointless regulation as we have enough of it already. Evidence-based government please. The Seadogz coxswain will have a qualification and there will be insurance; the girl is still dead though.Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
hidetheelephants said:
The mandatory licencing in France etc does not result in fewer accidents or fatalities in the leisure sector, I'd rather the UK was not burdened with pointless regulation as we have enough of it already. Evidence-based government please. The Seadogz coxswain will have a qualification and there will be insurance; the girl is still dead though.
Looking at the video again he closely passes buoys at 38+ knots at 1.16, 1.19, 1.24 & 1.27Could have been going for a sharp close turn round the buoy to head back to the ferry wake?
It's also consistent with how far they travelled beyond the wake before turning back on the several previous passes.
Stick Legs said:
This is a commercial outfit. I refuse to use the term professional. They are operating a business that uses a major shipping channel to provide thrills to members of the public. It's like offering high speed pillion rides around the M25.
Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
Yes the skipper will have had an RYA motorboat ticket, and they will be insured. However it should not have been allowed to operate in Southampton water and I anticipate a serious review of this kind of activity in light of this accident.
It is high time that something changed dramatically with the use of watercraft in this country.
The sensible and reasonable owners and operators of yachts, motorboats etc take time to educate themselves, insure themselves and behave responsibly.
The idiots are the ones who cause the bulk of the problems and they don't.
I cannot recall a jet ski being driven responsibly that I have seen.
The sooner that boating requires mandatory licencing and insurance the better. The days when you can buy any boat and set off in it regardless must surely be over.
As a Ship's Master, and former Marine Pilot I have seen too many near misses between highspeed privately owned craft and other boats, shipping or structures and this is the sad consequence that the skipper of this boat just ran out of luck.
I agree 100%. Except the skipper didn't just run out of luck though - there's a voluntary code of practice in place for high speed craft operators to follow as well as the legal requirement under the ColRegs to maintain an adequate look out at all times.
He ignored both.
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