RE: £30k future classics | Six of the Best

RE: £30k future classics | Six of the Best

Saturday 3rd October 2020

£30k future classics | Six of the Best

PH puts its mouth where its money ought to be and tries to guess which way the wind is blowing



You may remember us dipping our toe in these waters last month. 'Affordable' classics was the optimistic title, and we indulged ourselves with a rogue's gallery of mostly nineties contenders. Now we're going to get a whole leg wet. 'Future' classics is a little more problematic than merely cheap ones, on the basis that anything over 25 years-old and under £15k was acceptable by default. This time around we've upped the budget to £30k and opened the criteria to anything 10 years or older.

Naturally that makes many more cars available, but the onus here is spending it on something which will earn (or perhaps in some cases retain) its modern classic status into the long grass of time. As we all know, this is easier said than done. Who could have predicted some of today's wild demand and wilder prices twenty years ago? Finding something for under £30k which is resistant to depreciation is hard enough without heaping future appreciation into the bargain. But that's the challenge. To the classifieds...



TVR Tamora, 2005, 46k, £30,000

TVRs ticked all of the classic car criteria boxes when factory fresh, so every single one of them qualifies in 2020. If a classic is about celebrating the freedom of the past, then what better? Back then a TVR didn't have to be designed with pedestrian safety in mind (so they look superb), didn't have to be engineered with driver safety in mind (so technology doesn't interfere) and didn't have to be powered by a WLTP-compliant engine - so it'll sound brilliant. Everything that was true about TVRs when this Tamora was new only makes them more compelling as a classic prospect; with the brand unlikely to return now, I can only imagine these later cars becoming more desirable. They didn't make sports cars like they used to, really, when TVRs were new, so nowadays they'll be like something from another planet.

I've always loved the T350/Tamora pairing; smaller and better looking (to my eyes) than a Tuscan, but still with that famed Speed Six punch. This one is being sold by the TVR specialist that's cared for it since it was three years old (always a good sign) and the 46k mileage, far from a deterrent, I take as a good sign. Far better to be used and any problems unearthed than left growing stale. Having still never driven a TVR, I'm desperate to discover the genius for myself; this looks like a perfect place to start.
MB


Lotus Exige S, 2007, 20K, £29,500

Out of all the cars that I've owned, the one that I regret selling the most was my Series 2 Lotus Elise 111S. Mostly because it was just so damn special to drive, but also because I doubt I'd have lost a single penny on it in five years.

It did feel like it needed that tiny bit more power so if I bought another Elise, it would probably be a 111R. But with £30K in my pocket, I'd invest in my absolute dream Lotus: a Series 2 Exige of the supercharged variety. For me, Lotus are responsible for setting the sports car benchmark and once you've driven one, nothing else will ever quite measure up.

Values have been steadily rising over the past decade and I really do want to buy another one before they become unobtainable. This 218bhp Exige S with Touring Pack is right on the money and all the car I'd ever need. Where do I sign?
BL


Ford Focus RS, 2003, 4k, £29,995

I tried to play this game myself a few years ago with my 100k garage submission, and it seems five years on I wouldn't have lost much from my £100k investment. Although equally my make-believe self is not quite ready for early retirement just yet either.

A Focus RS MK1 is often referred to as a guaranteed future classic. And based on the values that fast Cortinas, Escorts and Sierras appear to command, we might be kicking ourselves in twenty years time for not investing sooner. The car earned its reputation right out of the box, too: Sparco bucket seats, Sachs dampers, Quaife diff, AP Racing clutch, O.Z. wheels with Brembo brakes, and some timeless styling, too. Add in the fact that only just over 2,100 units made it to the UK, and it certainly has the ingredients of a future classic.

Admittedly this one already has a ridiculous price tag, but it has the ridiculous mileage to underpin it and appears to be in pristine condition. I've owned a couple of MK7 Fiesta STs, and would love to add an RS to the fleet before they become too heavily used or expensive to consider. I must confess however in the real world right now I probably wouldn't buy one with such low miles as the value would decrease with every corner turned. And who wants that?
SL


Maserati Gransport LE, 2007, 32k, £29,950

Given the MC20 makes Maserati cool and interesting again, my choice this week revisits the last time Maserati sports cars were cool and interesting. Because a GranTurismo, for me at least, never quite cut the dash that the GranSport did. And, as far as classic status goes, this car's rarity and status give it collectability that a lot of the later cars don't have.

Essentially, the GranSport realised the potential that had long been lurking in the 3200 and 4200 Coupes. Chassis and powertrain tweaks made it into the proper 911 alternative it always should have been, without losing what had been so good (the noise, the Frank Stephenson styling and the performance) about the standard car. The Limited Edition, as this car is, was the GranSport swan song and are incredibly rare: just 107 were made, compared to more than 2,000 standard cars. How many 997 Carreras are still out there?

So even though a lot of the GranSport appreciation has probably now been done, the LE still looks a safe bet. A Maserati this talented and this good looking isn't going to become any less desirable, after all £30k is about the ceiling for them at the moment, meaning just 30,000 miles and a full specialist service history for this one - perfect.
SS


Subaru Impreza, 2001, 65k, £14,995

Back in 2002 I bought a bugeye Scooby very similar to this one, and of all the cars I've owned, it remains one of my favourites. Incredibly capable, it took me around Europe, towed mcar, and was happy on track days. 100k miles later I moved it on for something less interesting and better suited to family motoring - but missed the boxer rumble so much that I went back in time and bought a 1995 JDM estate that is still in the garage now.

Sure, the front end was not to everyone's liking, and many, like mine, had headlight conversions. But they are getting a little bit of love recently and looking at the PH pricing data the average cost has risen by 2.5k in the last 4 years. This one is the Prodrive edition which ought to be a surefire hit in future classic stakes.

You could argue it is at the top of the price range at the moment, but hold on for a few more years and these will follow in the footsteps of other collectable Subarus - guaranteed. Well, maybe not, but at least you'll have fun why you wait...
PD


Porsche Cayman S, 2010, 15k, £29,980

'Yawn', Matt Bird said when I pitched the 987 Cayman into future classic fray. It's a fair comment. It's like pitching blue-chip stock as an investment. Sure, it's valid - but it's tediously safe. A nicely kept, low-mile Cayman S is never going to be worth nothing, nor is it likely to ever be a proper nest egg generator. Porsche sold too many of them in the UK for the price to ever surge dramatically.

Nevertheless the key here is what the future holds. If electrification continues to steam ahead at the current pace - and the government actually makes good on its threat to ban the salelectrified new cars by 2035 - then the value of immaculate, highly regarded examples of old-world motoring, particularly those powered by naturally aspirated, evocative engines, is likely to increase. Especially among a generation who never got to experience them when new.

That hardly puts this 2010 Cayman S in 911 GT2 territory, but it's a very nice looking example with 15k on the clock and all the kit. There's plenty of room on the odometer to gently enjoy it, and still leave something for the grandchildren to fight over when the world is all carbon neutral and depressingly quiet.
NC


Author
Discussion

Ray_Aber

Original Poster:

481 posts

276 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Not sure I’d agree with this list - although there some belters.

1. The TVR T350 is a far more resolved design than the “rammed up the @rse” Tamora. I’d go for the former. It’s rare, and better built than the earlier stuff (I believe: happy to be put in my place!).

2. No Aston Martins? Early Vantages must come in around £30k. DB7s cannot be discounted.

3. I’d not rule out a clean early 1990s Mazda RX-7. Magnificent car.

4. Jaguar XK-R. Will never date- and that meant less built in obsolescence.


Just my viewpoint!

Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

107 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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None of this list qualifies I’m afraid


Mr Tidy

22,309 posts

127 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Assuming they can still be found in that budget surely a Toyota Supra A80 should be on that list.

Maybe just me, but my choice of TVR would be a Chimaera.

Or perhaps a BMW Z4M Coupe.

Over 300bhp and RWD has to have some potential for fun!


fur53y

33 posts

108 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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AM V8 / Manual E92 M3 / BMW 1M / Manual R8 V8 for me. If kept fastidiously and driven semi-regularly I’m sure you’d see your money back and in a few years.

virgilio

420 posts

145 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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TVR and Maserati are great choices, Subaru ok, the ithers a bit too common. I’d suggest Ariel Nomad, VW VR6 synchro mk3, and e60 m5 touring. Plus the RX7 which was already mentioned in the comments.

Edited by virgilio on Saturday 3rd October 07:17

rossub

4,442 posts

190 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Pistonheader101 said:
None of this list qualifies I’m afraid
In your humble opinion rolleyes

jon-yprpe

383 posts

88 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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E46 M3

Bugeye scooby? Don’t get that - the standard ‘classic’ 95-00 Scooby’s would be better contenders as that’s what everyone associates with the rally successes.


ducnick

1,781 posts

243 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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possibly a good call on the Maserati as they are rare. However rare Maseratis don't climb in value for a long while. The same dealer has a Ghibli Cup for sale, a far rarer car than the Gransport, and that's only gone up by £15k in 10 yrs.

Hamo86

39 posts

44 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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I’m one of the few that absolutely love the bug eyed STI’s, they’ve aged quite well and they bring me back to my teenage years .

Out of all the STI these r the hardest to get, only a few for sale at any time (in Australia anyways)


AdamV12AMR

1,380 posts

156 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Not sure you could do better than this at £29k:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10878934




Edited by AdamV12AMR on Saturday 3rd October 08:23

AdamV12AMR

1,380 posts

156 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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AdamV12AMR said:
Not sure you could do better than this at £29k:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10878934

Quite a big aerial on it though

Tickle

4,915 posts

204 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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virgilio said:
TVR and Maserati are great choices, Subaru ok, the ithers a bit too common. I’d suggest Ariel Nomad, VW VR6 synchro mk3, and e60 m5 touring. Plus the RX7 which was already mentioned in the comments.

Edited by virgilio on Saturday 3rd October 07:17
A Nomad would be my choice for £30k too, not sure a straight one will be in the classifieds for that anytime soon though.

Out of the featured list, Exige S.

Augustus Windsock

3,366 posts

155 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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AdamV12AMR said:
AdamV12AMR said:
Not sure you could do better than this at £29k:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10878934

Quite a big aerial on it though
And here’s me thinking it was the latest ‘Google Street Maps’ camera car!
Not sure how a previous poster called the Audi R8, there’s not on e currently for sale on PH for under £30k.
Having owned a TVR I’d have another in a heartbeat, and either a ‘best you can find’ Griffith or Chimera if one was to worry about the Speed 6 engine in a Tamori
An Aston would also be up there but really would require some due diligence to avoid wallet warping bills.Having owner a ‘classic’ and a ‘WR1’ Impreza, either of those would make my list rather than a bug eye, again, £30k would surely allow you to find THE very beet of either.

jzakariya

176 posts

118 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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'... as far as classic status goes, this car's rarity and status give it collectability ...'
Not quite sure of that for the Maserati. When I was working in Kuwait back in the day, every sheikh's second wife had this, and that means pretty much most of the population !

Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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To me the unknown with buying a car as a long term investment is who the general move to EV cars (and further along autonomous driving) is going to hit values.

Will ICE cars be allowed on all roads at all times?

Will fuel become difficult to obtain?

If getting hold of petrol becomes difficult and you are restricted to when / where you can drive it I can see it having an negative hit on prices.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Pistonheader101 said:
None of this list qualifies I’m afraid
So what are your suggestions?

Venisonpie

3,269 posts

82 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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All likely candidates, Maser for me.

Not interested in the Ford or Pork.

nickfrog

21,130 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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I totally agree with the first 3.
I totally disagree with the last 3.

samoht

5,707 posts

146 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Z4M Coupe, £24k
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10655943 (Ad is worth a read too)



biggbn

23,289 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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AdamV12AMR said:
AdamV12AMR said:
Not sure you could do better than this at £29k:
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10878934

Quite a big aerial on it though
beer