How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)
Discussion
On the radio ‘circuit breaker’ is naturally the topic at the moment. I was hoping for some discussion on the EU conference today.
From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
Unbusy said:
On the radio ‘circuit breaker’ is naturally the topic at the moment. I was hoping for some discussion on the EU conference today.
From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
Do we have a UK fleet that can take up the slack once we exclude French fishermen?From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
Whohe123 said:
I predict boris will agree to extend talks ‘as a deal is nearby’. Newspapers are touting Nov 15th as a possible extension date.
He'll be causing himself problems if he does this. Or at least does it without being able to be clear that the EU have noted they are revisiting the two positions concerned following their summit.He'd be better calling it, noting that they've said there may be room and that he'll make people available if they come back positively.
Sadly, the government's capability on comms has been dogs
t this last 7mths. I'm not hopeful it will suddenly get better.Stay in Bed Instead said:
Unbusy said:
On the radio ‘circuit breaker’ is naturally the topic at the moment. I was hoping for some discussion on the EU conference today.
From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
Do we have a UK fleet that can take up the slack once we exclude French fishermen?From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Murph7355 said:
The legislation in and of itself is not unlawful.
Are you saying the Minister for Northern Ireland mislead Parliament?I thought he'd said words to the effect that in a limited set of circumstances the act would be unlawful.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/int...
Anyway, it's Brandon Lewis. If ever anyone was in position simply to be available for when someone needed throwing under a bus, he's it! (To be honest it seems most of the cabinet are
).Unbusy said:
On the radio ‘circuit breaker’ is naturally the topic at the moment. I was hoping for some discussion on the EU conference today.
From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
They're already drafting the text outcome from the summit, I saw one excerpt just now that shows the old text, "Frost has to keep negotiating", changed by the member states to "Frost has to give us what we want."From the papers, each of the 27 countries will have the opportunity to speak on the trade agreement. I do hope that common sense will come to the fore and the realisation that putting a surrender monkey in charge of matters was never going to find a satisfactory conclusion.
The effrontery of demanding no change to the fishing rights after the transition period is breath taking. The French arrogance is without shame. I made a comment about the fishing situation early doors in the last volume and here we are no closer to an agreement.
I don’t think the EU can back down now, it’s gone on too far and the loss of face isn’t possible as that would empower the UK. I am sure they Boris has the cojones to walk away and I hope he does.
Of course it would be regretful to not have a decent agreement and now doubt damaging for many businesses, on both sides of the channel.
So let’s see what happens today, I hope I’m surprised and a deal is struck.
Think this may be the problem now, as much as they talk about unity, as soon as the memberstates get involved they all have their pet interests and it's always for someone else to compromise. That can't be squared with the false idea of unity, so the can-kick is to demand that the UK concede and hope for the best.
If the text comes out as proposed then it makes it much harder for the UK to ignore the 15th deadline as the EU are saying the only deal is one where the French keep the fish and the Germans keep control.
Murph7355 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Murph7355 said:
The legislation in and of itself is not unlawful.
Are you saying the Minister for Northern Ireland mislead Parliament?I thought he'd said words to the effect that in a limited set of circumstances the act would be unlawful.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/int...
Anyway, it's Brandon Lewis. If ever anyone was in position simply to be available for when someone needed throwing under a bus, he's it! (To be honest it seems most of the cabinet are
).It's not a surprise that those putting that line forward select the most misleading language for their argument though.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
catweasle said:
We don't exclude them..........we just sell them a permit.
How much income would that generate?catweasle said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Do we have a UK fleet that can take up the slack once we exclude French fishermen?
We don't exclude them..........we just sell them a permit.If the French elect to exclude themselves from UK waters by dint of their refusal to accept the inevitable consequences of Brexit - Macron's own words - then that doesn't mean that UK and Norwegians then need to scrabble around pulling those fish out so the French have something to eat.
The French will just have to eat something else and take it up with Macron.
We could offer permits unilaterally, negotiate with the Fishermen directly as it were. We can tag it onto the Land Bridge permit system easily enough.
paulrockliffe said:
There isn't any slack. This thinking is where people are going wrong.
If the French elect to exclude themselves from UK waters by dint of their refusal to accept the inevitable consequences of Brexit - Macron's own words - then that doesn't mean that UK and Norwegians then need to scrabble around pulling those fish out so the French have something to eat.
The French will just have to eat something else and take it up with Macron.
We could offer permits unilaterally, negotiate with the Fishermen directly as it were. We can tag it onto the Land Bridge permit system easily enough.
There is slack if nobody is willing to buy the permits.If the French elect to exclude themselves from UK waters by dint of their refusal to accept the inevitable consequences of Brexit - Macron's own words - then that doesn't mean that UK and Norwegians then need to scrabble around pulling those fish out so the French have something to eat.
The French will just have to eat something else and take it up with Macron.
We could offer permits unilaterally, negotiate with the Fishermen directly as it were. We can tag it onto the Land Bridge permit system easily enough.
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