SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

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-Z-

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205 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Pretty Damning evidence that SSC faked the recent 330mph top speed run!

Follow the below link and you'll see the SSC versus the much slower Agera RS, both used the same road. Some guy has noticed that between the same 2 points the Agera arrives at the next intersection way ahead of the SSC despite apparently travelling much much slower. Very suspect.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m12s&v=PLoFKcH7...


notslopes

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41 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Well that's cobblers, the two cars are going in opposite directions, the Koenigsegg has hills in it's window aperture, the SSC doesn't and if you look at the road, the SSC is going downhill whereas the Koenigsegg is clearly going uphill.

-Z-

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notslopes said:
Well that's cobblers, the two cars are going in opposite directions, the Koenigsegg has hills in it's window aperture, the SSC doesn't and if you look at the road, the SSC is going downhill whereas the Koenigsegg is clearly going uphill.
Nope, look at these cacti on the roadside at the start of the compared segment, they are EXACTLY the same. It's clearly the same segment of road.



Sway

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193 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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-Z- said:
notslopes said:
Well that's cobblers, the two cars are going in opposite directions, the Koenigsegg has hills in it's window aperture, the SSC doesn't and if you look at the road, the SSC is going downhill whereas the Koenigsegg is clearly going uphill.
Nope, look at these cacti on the roadside at the start of the compared segment, they are EXACTLY the same. It's clearly the same segment of road.


The two horizons look very different...

-Z-

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Sway said:
The two horizons look very different...
Because the top one in the SSC is overexposed and filmed on a potato. The branches on the Cacti are identical, do you know the mathematical improbability of that happening in 2 seperate plants? Plus the sign in the centre of the road.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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wasn't there three runs the first was slow the third was a lot faster. So this video evidence is pointless.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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How are they supposed to have fooled the certified GPS tracker and fooled the on-site witnesses?

Per the regulations:

In order to qualify for a record title, the car must be a production vehicle identical to the same vehicle a customer might purchase. It must drive the same route in opposite directions on a public road,and the two speeds are then averaged. It must be tracked by a certified GPS measurement system, with two worldrecord-sanctioned witnesses on site for verification. Finally, it must complete the run on street tires,using non-race fuel.

-Z-

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The Spruce Goose said:
wasn't there three runs the first was slow the third was a lot faster. So this video evidence is pointless.
This is the official video they released from the top speed run, it literally says 330mph top left?

-Z-

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charltjr said:
How are they supposed to have fooled the certified GPS tracker and fooled the on-site witnesses?

Per the regulations:

In order to qualify for a record title, the car must be a production vehicle identical to the same vehicle a customer might purchase. It must drive the same route in opposite directions on a public road,and the two speeds are then averaged. It must be tracked by a certified GPS measurement system, with two worldrecord-sanctioned witnesses on site for verification. Finally, it must complete the run on street tires,using non-race fuel.
The Guinness Book of World Records have clarified that they were not involved with this run by SSC in any way, they don't recognise it. Also I saw elsewhere that the GPS tracker they used can measure speeds to hundredths but theyve posted their speed logs to the thousandths of a second. This gets more and more suspect.



Edited by -Z- on Saturday 24th October 23:51

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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-Z- said:
This is the official video they released from the top speed run, it literally says 330mph top left?
official video didn't have the telemetry superimposed on it like your link.

-Z-

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The Spruce Goose said:
official video didn't have the telemetry superimposed on it like your link.
It's pulled directly from the 'exclusive' TG video below, just the speed has been chopped out and overlayed onto the PoV footage so it fits on screen. Go to 1.12 in the TG vid and you'll see the SSC pass the same Cacti at the same speed as the comparison clip.

https://youtu.be/N22JfNHiC1k

notslopes

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41 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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-Z- said:
notslopes said:
Well that's cobblers, the two cars are going in opposite directions, the Koenigsegg has hills in it's window aperture, the SSC doesn't and if you look at the road, the SSC is going downhill whereas the Koenigsegg is clearly going uphill.
Nope, look at these cacti on the roadside at the start of the compared segment, they are EXACTLY the same. It's clearly the same segment of road.


I'm surprised that SSC can even do 150mph based on your suggestions, look how much higher off the ground it is compared to the Koenigsegg. You can clearly see the tree/cactus in the top pic, yet the bottom pic it is at a totally different elevation.

Those SSC engineers are darned clever being able to fake a Racelogic box eh? And to do it in a 4x4 too, unreal.

-Z-

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Sunday 25th October 2020
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notslopes said:
I'm surprised that SSC can even do 150mph based on your suggestions, look how much higher off the ground it is compared to the Koenigsegg. You can clearly see the tree/cactus in the top pic, yet the bottom pic it is at a totally different elevation.

Those SSC engineers are darned clever being able to fake a Racelogic box eh? And to do it in a 4x4 too, unreal.
Racelogic box? Where? Show me in the below pic please smile

Not sure what you mean about different Cacti heights? Cameras are at different heights and angles, go a bit further back and you can see actually 3 different Cacti confirming its the same road. I'm really not too sure what you are disputing tbh.





anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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-Z- said:
The Guinness Book of World Records have clarified that they were not involved with this run by SSC in any way, they don't recognise it. Also I saw elsewhere that the GPS tracker they used can measure speeds to hundredths but theyve posted their speed logs to the thousandths of a second. This gets more and more suspect.



Edited by -Z- on Saturday 24th October 23:51
That’s just standard text they send out to clarify their position. The way it works is that you submit your evidence and they then validate it and if happy they confirm you’ve taken the record.

https://guinnessworldrecords.com/records/how-to-co...

ETA: it takes a minimum of ten working days for the record to be validated, and that’s assuming they’ve paid Guinness the fees for priority application and there’s no back-and-forth questions about the evidence

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 25th October 07:28

notslopes

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41 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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-Z- said:
notslopes said:
I'm surprised that SSC can even do 150mph based on your suggestions, look how much higher off the ground it is compared to the Koenigsegg. You can clearly see the tree/cactus in the top pic, yet the bottom pic it is at a totally different elevation.

Those SSC engineers are darned clever being able to fake a Racelogic box eh? And to do it in a 4x4 too, unreal.
Racelogic box? Where? Show me in the below pic please smile

Not sure what you mean about different Cacti heights? Cameras are at different heights and angles, go a bit further back and you can see actually 3 different Cacti confirming its the same road. I'm really not too sure what you are disputing tbh.




You're right, it's clearly a conspiracy maaan.

-Z-

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Sunday 25th October 2020
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notslopes said:
You're right, it's clearly a conspiracy maaan.
Orrrrrr its a desperate attempt at publicity by a tiny company with a car stuck in development hell for a decade running out of money.....

Anyhoo people cleverer than me have been doing their own analysis and found the SSC to be doing only 240mph. This is based on you know, maths and stuff, rather than shouting 'it had (invisible) a Racelogic box so it must be real!'


-Z-

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charltjr said:
That’s just standard text they send out to clarify their position. The way it works is that you submit your evidence and they then validate it and if happy they confirm you’ve taken the record.

https://guinnessworldrecords.com/records/how-to-co...

ETA: it takes a minimum of ten working days for the record to be validated, and that’s assuming they’ve paid Guinness the fees for priority application and there’s no back-and-forth questions about the evidence

Edited by charltjr on Sunday 25th October 07:28
True, however, I was clarifying because most of the media reporting stated that Guinness were on site directly observing, which is incorrect.

notslopes

50 posts

41 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Orrrrr....how about you ask the guy who drove the car, you know, what with him actually being there and all, not just analysing a video.

Doesnt matter anyway, clearly those dastardly americans are cheating/lying and no doubt they will have paid the driver to keep quiet about it.

Roger Irrelevant

2,898 posts

112 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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Never mind conspiracy theories and smoking cacti, I can see what's happened here - they accidentally changed the speedo from mph to kmph and didn't notice (most Americans being only dimly aware of the metric system). I did the same in my Yaris once and it did confuse me for a brief time.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 25th October 2020
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I can’t help thinking that waiting for Guinness to officially verify (or not) the record attempt is the way to go. They don’t muck about with the high profile records in particular, that would really damage trust in the records system.

If they’re proven to have faked it then that’s pretty much death for their brand, but stupider things have happened.