The Secret Horsepower Race - WW2 Aero Engines in detail

The Secret Horsepower Race - WW2 Aero Engines in detail

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Simpo Two

85,420 posts

265 months

Friday 26th February 2021
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I think the author just turned up!

Eric Mc

122,024 posts

265 months

Friday 26th February 2021
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Good stuff too.

dirky dirk

3,013 posts

170 months

Friday 26th February 2021
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I read something interesting the other day

The luftwaffe was so short of jet fuel for the me262
They towed them to the end of the runway,
Via cow.

Max hastings lancaster

Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Am I alone in looking at a Sea Fury, Griffon Spit, Bear Cat or Mustang selling for the same as the latest hyper car and thinking - these aircraft though expensive - are insanely great value relative to these hyper cars?

I can see at least $US10m of engineering in these great piston fighters but I struggle to see the $US3 - 5m in the cars.

Calum, I bought your book - loved it - just the ticket for everyone from private to professional pilots, aviation nerds, plane spotters and anyone else who appreciates the pinnacle of piston aerospace engineering.

Thank you for bringing your project to fruition.

Simpo Two

85,420 posts

265 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Penguinracer said:
Am I alone in looking at a Sea Fury, Griffon Spit, Bear Cat or Mustang selling for the same as the latest hyper car and thinking - these aircraft though expensive - are insanely great value relative to these hyper cars?
Running costs, storage and upkeep somewhat more though. If you thought anything prefixed 'marine' was expensive, try 'warbird'!

outnumbered

4,084 posts

234 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Snowygrouch said:
In the next printing I`ll maybe try to add a paragraph to clarify the above.
Thanks for the clarification here anyway.


NMNeil

5,860 posts

50 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Some old archive videos of the Merlin being made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fo7SmNuUU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVWyZf5MQk
BF109 Daimler Benz engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qr7coMtjh0
And the BF109 itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCY11-LeOJI
Not a piston engine but a fascinating video on how to assemble and launch the V1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EEZuXQyA-E



aeropilot

34,580 posts

227 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Simpo Two said:
Penguinracer said:
Am I alone in looking at a Sea Fury, Griffon Spit, Bear Cat or Mustang selling for the same as the latest hyper car and thinking - these aircraft though expensive - are insanely great value relative to these hyper cars?
Running costs, storage and upkeep somewhat more though. If you thought anything prefixed 'marine' was expensive, try 'warbird'!
Yep.

There are rich boys toys, there are boats.............and then there's the warbird owner......and then there's the multiple warbird owner biggrin


emperorburger

1,484 posts

66 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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The secret behind German engine performance: GM-1 and MW-50

https://youtu.be/stL8eSyieSU

May be of interest to some.


Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Saturday 27th February 2021
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Running costs - for sure - it was just the sheer quality & quantity of engineering you were buying compared to a hypercard which interested me.

In terms of fascinating engines I've always been intrigued by the P&W R-4360 & the Wright R-3350.

frisbee

4,979 posts

110 months

Sunday 28th February 2021
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There's a good LJK Setright book about the development of aircraft piston engines from the very beginning, The Power to Fly: The Development of the Piston Engine in Aviation. Extremely readable and full of little stories.

It's been a while since I read it but from what I remember he had a soft spot for sleeve valves. Some of the ideas the early designers came up with to work around limitations of materials etc. are very interesting.

Piginapoke

4,760 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th February 2021
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dirky dirk said:
I read something interesting the other day

The luftwaffe was so short of jet fuel for the me262
They towed them to the end of the runway,
Via cow.

Max hastings lancaster
Do you mean Hasting's Dambusters book?

CoupeKid

753 posts

65 months

Tuesday 2nd March 2021
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frisbee said:
There's a good LJK Setright book about the development of aircraft piston engines from the very beginning, The Power to Fly: The Development of the Piston Engine in Aviation. Extremely readable and full of little stories.

It's been a while since I read it but from what I remember he had a soft spot for sleeve valves. Some of the ideas the early designers came up with to work around limitations of materials etc. are very interesting.
Currently about £300 on Amazon yikes

youngsod

268 posts

182 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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frisbee said:
There's a good LJK Setright book about the development of aircraft piston engines from the very beginning, The Power to Fly: The Development of the Piston Engine in Aviation. Extremely readable and full of little stories.

It's been a while since I read it but from what I remember he had a soft spot for sleeve valves. Some of the ideas the early designers came up with to work around limitations of materials etc. are very interesting.
Frisbee, thank you so much for recommending this book. I have to admit, I'm not the greatest fan of Setright's writing in Car in the 80s and 90s, but this book it utterly marvellous, I just lost myself in it.

Penguinracer

1,593 posts

206 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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LJKS was the the high priest of verbosity imho....multiple subordinate clauses added, layered & entangled until the principal clause was obscured in a sea of obfuscating verbiage...

Imagine Hemingway & LJK meeting in a bar...I'm sure Papa wouldn't have much time for Leonard's style.

jet_noise

5,648 posts

182 months

Wednesday 14th April 2021
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Penguinracer said:
LJKS was the the high priest of verbosity imho....multiple subordinate clauses added, layered & entangled until the principal clause was obscured in a sea of obfuscating verbiage...

Imagine Hemingway & LJK meeting in a bar...I'm sure Papa wouldn't have much time for Leonard's style.
Obfuscating Verbiage was an Eno & Fripp collaboration from the late '70s.
Although my memory of the time is somewhat clouded wink

conkerman

3,300 posts

135 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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Oblique Strategies wasn't it?


jet_noise

5,648 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th April 2021
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conkerman said:
Oblique Strategies wasn't it?
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