MH370

[ChocolateFrog]

Condado said:

Having just binged watched the documentary, the only credible theory for the aircraft going missing is one of the aircrew who had knowledge of flying and systems within the aircraft, disabled communications flew the aircraft and crashed it in the middle of or of the deepest oceans in the world where chances of finding the bulk of the sunken debris would be almost impossible given the topography of the ocean floor. I think the one of the Australian mil investigators summed it up when he said something along the lines, It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack, but we need to find the haystack first.
The supposed other two options for the disappearance are complete works of fiction in my opinion, but as another investigator said, Opinions are like aholes everyone has one.

Yep.

People just love a conspiracy theory.

It's not hard (or perhaps it is to many) to comprehend why it hasn't been found. Just watch a few minutes of the search vessel down there in the southern ocean, practically a definition in futility.

[ChocolateFrog]

Teddy Lop said:

Raccaccoonie said:

CoolHands said:

In short no one knows jack st

Depends really. Maybe someone knows but suited them that it disappeared. The Malaysian government seem very controlling, maybe it was a protest.?

In regards to the disappearance, it is very surprising USA never picked it up etc considering how much they are all over the world.

USA intel will be good where it's heavily focussed but not sure there was that much going on in South Asia at the time to pique their interest, remember it wasn't that long ago they purportedly couldn't do jack about hijacked airliners in their own back yard.

Or, elements within intel know exactly where it is but don't want to divulge mil capability over a trifling foreigner civvie concern.

The storyline may have more than one element thrawting those speculating an agenda that fits the known facts.

They couldn't even detect massive balloons visible to the naked eye flying over their own mainland territory in the vicinity of military installations until recently.

[48k]

jamieduff1981 said:

48k said:

For me the biggest clue that this was a deliberate action was the fact that the police recovered Microsoft Flight Simulator routes from the pilot's home simulator, showing he was effectively doing "practice runs" about a month beforehand.

It showed nothing of the sort. Loads of pilots have flight simulator games. Flight sims are very popular. Loads of pilots have models of planes too. It turns out, loads of pilots just love planes. It's just the ultra-thick soul-destroyingly boring types who take up journalism who think it's unusual.

Let's cut to the chase - a professional pilot doesn't need to "practise" flying in a straight line. They'll have thousands of hours "practise" flying a heading.

If this evidence wasn't thin enough, MS Flightsim has an enormously used feature which all who've ever owned it will know wherein you press a key on the keyboard and use a mouse or joystick to "slew" the plane rapidly through different heights or across the globe. You don't need to sit at your computer for 6 hours "flying" somewhere, you can just shoot over to somewhere else and fly there instead. They even say in the Netfux programme that upon rechecking his Flightsim data that's exactly what he did - he was flying around local to where he lived and went to fly around the south Indian Ocean instead.

Pretty much everyone who plays with Flightsims does this, and it only looks suspicious to someone who doesn't know this.

Yep I'm sure it was a total coincidence.

Maybe one day we'll find out.

[youngsyr]

48k said:

jamieduff1981 said:

48k said:

For me the biggest clue that this was a deliberate action was the fact that the police recovered Microsoft Flight Simulator routes from the pilot's home simulator, showing he was effectively doing "practice runs" about a month beforehand.

It showed nothing of the sort. Loads of pilots have flight simulator games. Flight sims are very popular. Loads of pilots have models of planes too. It turns out, loads of pilots just love planes. It's just the ultra-thick soul-destroyingly boring types who take up journalism who think it's unusual.

Let's cut to the chase - a professional pilot doesn't need to "practise" flying in a straight line. They'll have thousands of hours "practise" flying a heading.

If this evidence wasn't thin enough, MS Flightsim has an enormously used feature which all who've ever owned it will know wherein you press a key on the keyboard and use a mouse or joystick to "slew" the plane rapidly through different heights or across the globe. You don't need to sit at your computer for 6 hours "flying" somewhere, you can just shoot over to somewhere else and fly there instead. They even say in the Netfux programme that upon rechecking his Flightsim data that's exactly what he did - he was flying around local to where he lived and went to fly around the south Indian Ocean instead.

Pretty much everyone who plays with Flightsims does this, and it only looks suspicious to someone who doesn't know this.

Yep I'm sure it was a total coincidence.

Maybe one day we'll find out.

Perhaps it wasn't a coincidence, but it also wasn't as it was presented on the programme. He didn't fly the route as a practice run and it wasn't one of his most recent flights on the sim.

[jamieduff1981]

youngsyr said:

jamieduff1981 said:

48k said:

For me the biggest clue that this was a deliberate action was the fact that the police recovered Microsoft Flight Simulator routes from the pilot's home simulator, showing he was effectively doing "practice runs" about a month beforehand.

It showed nothing of the sort. Loads of pilots have flight simulator games. Flight sims are very popular. Loads of pilots have models of planes too. It turns out, loads of pilots just love planes. It's just the ultra-thick soul-destroyingly boring types who take up journalism who think it's unusual.

Let's cut to the chase - a professional pilot doesn't need to "practise" flying in a straight line. They'll have thousands of hours "practise" flying a heading.

If this evidence wasn't thin enough, MS Flightsim has an enormously used feature which all who've ever owned it will know wherein you press a key on the keyboard and use a mouse or joystick to "slew" the plane rapidly through different heights or across the globe. You don't need to sit at your computer for 6 hours "flying" somewhere, you can just shoot over to somewhere else and fly there instead. They even say in the Netfux programme that upon rechecking his Flightsim data that's exactly what he did - he was flying around local to where he lived and went to fly around the south Indian Ocean instead.

Pretty much everyone who plays with Flightsims does this, and it only looks suspicious to someone who doesn't know this.

...or to someone who does know it, but who wants to increase their media profile/sell a book and is willing to ignore it.

It never fails to amaze me that people will immediately question the integrity of Immersat without any evidence of wrongdoing, but will believe without question an unknown "journalist", who has a massive vested interest in saying something interesting/contraversial regardless of its veracity.

Yep agreed. Honestly I'd be too afraid of defamation litigation for these baseless accusations those kooks were making. I understand the relatives. It's hugely traumatic for them and it's hard to know where to direct emotions when there's no known crash site etc. Those journalists though - just wow.

[Lefty]

Seems another theory puts MH370 1500km off the west coast of Australia



https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/01/location-of-los...



Also, somebody thinks they they found it on google maps in Cambodia

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/doomed-fl...

[croyde]

Earlier posts were discussing whether passengers and attendants would be able to stay conscious without cabin oxygen.

But didn't the German Wings crash show that despite having time, no one was able to get through the locked cabin door, including the co pilot.

[Timothy Bucktu]

The theory behind the crash put forward here seems hard to argue. One of the best documentaries I've seen to date...
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=_lKNBG-Mwp5KFk7D
Well done Green Dot Aviation. A fantastic channel if you've yet to discover it.

[navmangt]

Timothy Bucktu said:

The theory behind the crash put forward here seems hard to argue. One of the best documentaries I've seen to date...
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=_lKNBG-Mwp5KFk7D
Well done Green Dot Aviation. A fantastic channel if you've yet to discover it.

Yes watched it last night and it was truly excellent start to finish. I agree, can't see any other theory as plausible as this.

[Chrisgr31]

I thought there was no doubt that it was murder/suicide by the Captain! Mike Chillit is still saying Australia and Malayasia know exactly where it is https://x.com/mikechillit/status/17344619934095647...

[48k]

youngsyr said:

jamieduff1981 said:

48k said:

For me the biggest clue that this was a deliberate action was the fact that the police recovered Microsoft Flight Simulator routes from the pilot's home simulator, showing he was effectively doing "practice runs" about a month beforehand.

It showed nothing of the sort. Loads of pilots have flight simulator games. Flight sims are very popular. Loads of pilots have models of planes too. It turns out, loads of pilots just love planes. It's just the ultra-thick soul-destroyingly boring types who take up journalism who think it's unusual.

Let's cut to the chase - a professional pilot doesn't need to "practise" flying in a straight line. They'll have thousands of hours "practise" flying a heading.

If this evidence wasn't thin enough, MS Flightsim has an enormously used feature which all who've ever owned it will know wherein you press a key on the keyboard and use a mouse or joystick to "slew" the plane rapidly through different heights or across the globe. You don't need to sit at your computer for 6 hours "flying" somewhere, you can just shoot over to somewhere else and fly there instead. They even say in the Netfux programme that upon rechecking his Flightsim data that's exactly what he did - he was flying around local to where he lived and went to fly around the south Indian Ocean instead.

Pretty much everyone who plays with Flightsims does this, and it only looks suspicious to someone who doesn't know this.

...or to someone who does know it, but who wants to increase their media profile/sell a book and is willing to ignore it.

It never fails to amaze me that people will immediately question the integrity of Immersat without any evidence of wrongdoing, but will believe without question an unknown "journalist", who has a massive vested interest in saying something interesting/contraversial regardless of its veracity.

I recommend you guys watch that latest documentary from Green Dot Aviation if you still don't believe it was a deliberate pilot action and that the pilot practiced the route beforehand on his flight sim at home.

[cherryowen]

Timothy Bucktu said:

The theory behind the crash put forward here seems hard to argue. One of the best documentaries I've seen to date...
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=_lKNBG-Mwp5KFk7D
Well done Green Dot Aviation. A fantastic channel if you've yet to discover it.

I've watched a lot of GDA over the last few years, but that was very good indeed.

[Lefty]

Yep I just watched it too, excellent stuff. Not sensationalist at all, very calm and measured.

[Spidersleg]

Why does the pilot have so much access to turn all the tracking devices off? Seems crazy so many things are easily turned off with a flick of a few switches. Not sure what possible reason there would be for the pilot to have that much access?

[Scabutz]

Spidersleg said:

Why does the pilot have so much access to turn all the tracking devices off? Seems crazy so many things are easily turned off with a flick of a few switches. Not sure what possible reason there would be for the pilot to have that much access?

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can correct or confirm butI think every electrical item has a breaker so it can be isolated incase of malfunction and not affect anything else.

If one of the radios is smoking for example, the pilots can pull the breaker and isolate that. That leaves everything else working and the smoking thing shut down.

All the tracking kit would also have a breaker in case that went tits up.

[ridds]

Timothy Bucktu said:

The theory behind the crash put forward here seems hard to argue. One of the best documentaries I've seen to date...
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=_lKNBG-Mwp5KFk7D
Well done Green Dot Aviation. A fantastic channel if you've yet to discover it.

The whole simulating the glidepath on his Sim closed it for me.

Horrific what he did, imagine being caught up in his batst way out of life.

[Lefty]

Indeed and not the first.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight...

Want to commit suicide? Fine, crack on. Very sad.

Take hundreds of people with you? 100% .

[Krikkit]

Chrisgr31 said:

I thought there was no doubt that it was murder/suicide by the Captain! Mike Chillit is still saying Australia and Malayasia know exactly where it is https://x.com/mikechillit/status/17344619934095647...

Conspiracy nutjob simplifies the problem and ends up finding a black blob on sonar survey, what a surprise.

[Prawo Jazdy]

Spidersleg said:

Why does the pilot have so much access to turn all the tracking devices off? Seems crazy so many things are easily turned off with a flick of a few switches. Not sure what possible reason there would be for the pilot to have that much access?

Aircraft do have "hot buses" where a few systems are connected directly to the batteries. But you can turn the batteries off (well, disconnect them, technically) so even those systems can be shut off. Ultimately the ability for an external party to locate the aircraft is of a lower importance than being able to ensure the survival of the aircraft if a system/component is filling the cabin with smoke/fumes, or catching fire.

If you want to feel uneasy about flying, read about Swissair 111. A crash following a fire believed to have been ignited by arcing in the wiring of the in-flight entertainment system.

Also, if the starting point was designing an aircraft that is invulnerable to being brought down by the crew, then you'd probably quickly conclude that it's easier to design an autonomous aircraft. I expect that if/when that happens, there will still be occasions where we wish in hindsight that there had been humans at the controls. "Risk is what's left over when we think we've thought of everything."

Edited by Prawo Jazdy on Thursday 14th December 10:12

[youngsyr]

cherryowen said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

The theory behind the crash put forward here seems hard to argue. One of the best documentaries I've seen to date...
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=_lKNBG-Mwp5KFk7D
Well done Green Dot Aviation. A fantastic channel if you've yet to discover it.

I've watched a lot of GDA over the last few years, but that was very good indeed.

Very convincing to this layman at least, but one part did raise questions: the video claims that after both engines flamed out from lack of fuel, many of the aircraft's electrical systems shut down from lack of power (generated by the engines).

We are then told that the alternate power generator fired up, providing power back to the key electrical systems, and prompting several of them to try to log back on to the Immersat satellite.

As a result, the programme claimed that there were several time stamped messages sent to the satellite just as the plane was on its descent into the ocean.

If that was the case, how can they not have a reasonably precise location for the plane to have come down? At even a controlled unpowered descent from 40,000 ft at the claimed 1,500 ft/min, that's only 25 minutes from the very start of the descent to the watery end, apparently with several messages sent between?

At 600 mph land speed (which seems optimistic) that's 250 miles and there should be a reasonably good indication of the direction of travel from the successive arcs?