Bill's boating paradox...
Discussion
Audis5b9 said:
pequod said:
Interesting. Did you buy it needing work and sold it with the market going mad for such boats, or was there another reason you kept it for less than a year? Any opinion about the 705's suitability for the OP, ignoring the cost of buying one at the moment?
It needed a thorough engine service, sterndrive overhaul and lots of niggly bits (batteries, vhf antenna, light fittings, deep clean, etc etc). We sold it as it was a little too small for our requirements, and I couldn't believe the prices boats were still fetching.
Didn't comprehend they were still on the up (I'm a yacht broker so thought I knew what was going on!!).
I'd be surprised if they achieved £35k, but its not been posted on soldboats so cannot verify the actual selling price.
With regards to OP's requirements, it ticks all the boxes, although the KAD32 is a little underpowered for water skiing IMO. We got 30+ knots with just two onboard, dropped down to 24knots max with 6 onboard.
Might be worth the OP taking a look and could always try a low offer (25k?) particularly if it hasn't sold by end July?
CubanPete said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Man maths would be persuading yourself it's cheaper in the long run to have 2 boats.
For this it will almost certainly be cheaper to have two boats.Towing a ring or skier with something big enough to have a cabin and powerful enough to tow a skier will be expensive to buy and run
I would look at a 4-5m rib / dory for playing, and an 18ft+ with a diesel engined inboard for day trips and fishing etc.
You can use the little boat as the tender to a mooring too, which would be far cheaper than a marina.
HTH
OutInTheShed said:
Badda said:
Exactly.
The biggest mistake people make when entering the boating world is not going in hard. Tentative, budget purchases will lead to regret!!
Not sure that's often the case.The biggest mistake people make when entering the boating world is not going in hard. Tentative, budget purchases will lead to regret!!
I've seen a few people buy too big a boat from the start, and I've known people regret upgrades, selling an expensive boat after a few years because they're not using it enough and wishing they'd kept its more modest predecessor.
There's a whole menu of boating activity available, different boats enable different activity, or do some activity better, faster, in more weather, with more or less people etc etc.
No boat is ideal for everything, you've got to prioritise what you want to do and be realistic about how much of various things you will do.
I could have bought a bigger boat which would have been better able to go to France with more people on board. But I'm unlikely to do that more than once a year, and sometimes I can blag a ride on someone else's boat.
I decided to get something which does 90% of what I want quite well, which I think I will get reasonable use out of at a reasonable cost. A smaller boat is cheaper to run, easier to find places to moor up, easier to handle shorthanded etc.
What IMHO is more likely to lead to regret is buying a cheap example of your xyz28, which will cost more in maintenance, keep you busy working on it instead of sailing it and still be a tatty old boat when it's time to sell. Buying the best example of your chosen model usually works out better.
But you have to take th plunge at some point, you can't wait for the ideal boat to be for sale.
tter that’s been rolled in glitter will cost a fortune.Bill said:
CubanPete said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Man maths would be persuading yourself it's cheaper in the long run to have 2 boats.
For this it will almost certainly be cheaper to have two boats.Towing a ring or skier with something big enough to have a cabin and powerful enough to tow a skier will be expensive to buy and run
I would look at a 4-5m rib / dory for playing, and an 18ft+ with a diesel engined inboard for day trips and fishing etc.
You can use the little boat as the tender to a mooring too, which would be far cheaper than a marina.
HTH
Maybe something from the Beneteau stable might suit?
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/2008-beneteau-a...
So, apologies to those who said this all along, but it looks like we have a decision. Just been chatting to some boating friends and they've talked a lot of sense and persuaded us down the RIB route. Cutting a long story short, decent clothing is a lot cheaper than a cabin boat that's as fun as a RIB.
They also have a load of kit in their loft so we have a head start on clothes and a VHF.
We're even closer to having a budget!
They also have a load of kit in their loft so we have a head start on clothes and a VHF.
We're even closer to having a budget!
Bill said:
So, apologies to those who said this all along, but it looks like we have a decision. Just been chatting to some boating friends and they've talked a lot of sense and persuaded us down the RIB route. Cutting a long story short, decent clothing is a lot cheaper than a cabin boat that's as fun as a RIB.
They also have a load of kit in their loft so we have a head start on clothes and a VHF.
We're even closer to having a budget!
Excellent news, Bill!They also have a load of kit in their loft so we have a head start on clothes and a VHF.
We're even closer to having a budget!
I said a few pages back that I thought a RIB would suit, albeit didn't have the required cabin/cuddy for the ladies, but if you have now persuaded them that a set of waterproofs substitutes for the shelter which a cabin provides, then well done!
Please keep us updated...
paintman said:
Be an idea to get said friends to take you all out on their rib just to check.
That's a plan.I've had several seasons of skippering a Humber RIB for a youth charity and would defiantly say try before you buy .
It's fast and fun and wet and noisy for sure but in anything less than a flat calm a day driving will batter the absolute hell out of your back and knees and the potential for unwary passengers to go flying and hurt themselves or bounce OB because they've forgotten to hang on tight is large.
The windchill factor at high speed is significant thing too. You'll need layers of seriously good clothing to beat it and you need to be properly on your navigation and spatial awareness too. Google Seadogz accident to see why that is so.
Launch and recovery can be a PITA if the weather or tide decides not to play nicely anymore and chances are you'll have to fork out for the slip each way too, but alternatively if you're on a mooring you'll need a dingy to get out to the RIB, antifouling and an obligatory half hour before each session cleaning all the baked on seagull poo off the tubes and seats.
Not all marinas have petrol on their fuel berths either and those that do charge like wounded Rhinos for it and running on the rev limiter at Vmax - which is the only throttle position hormonally challenged 12 year olds understand - will chew an astonishing amount of fuel an hour which equals a hell of a lot of cans to lug about if you can't fill up at a garage.
Jaguar steve said:
It's fast and fun and wet and noisy for sure but in anything less than a flat calm a day driving will batter the absolute hell out of your back and knees and the potential for unwary passengers to go flying and hurt themselves or bounce OB because they've forgotten to hang on tight is large.
The windchill factor at high speed is significant thing too. You'll need layers of seriously good clothing to beat it and you need to be properly on your navigation and spatial awareness too. Google Seadogz accident to see why that is so.
Launch and recovery can be a PITA if the weather or tide decides not to play nicely anymore and chances are you'll have to fork out for the slip each way too, but alternatively if you're on a mooring you'll need a dingy to get out to the RIB, antifouling and an obligatory half hour before each session cleaning all the baked on seagull poo off the tubes and seats
Sounds like Mrs Bill will love it The windchill factor at high speed is significant thing too. You'll need layers of seriously good clothing to beat it and you need to be properly on your navigation and spatial awareness too. Google Seadogz accident to see why that is so.
Launch and recovery can be a PITA if the weather or tide decides not to play nicely anymore and chances are you'll have to fork out for the slip each way too, but alternatively if you're on a mooring you'll need a dingy to get out to the RIB, antifouling and an obligatory half hour before each session cleaning all the baked on seagull poo off the tubes and seats
Simpo Two said:
...a zippy little rubber thing where the first wave bounces your sandwiches overboard...
We spent the weekend on our boat - some thoughts on reflection…
The heater was on a fair bit.
It was lovely having hot water shower for the kids when they came out of wetsuits as they were ++cold.
Having a cabin to just get out of the breeze gives you much more time on the water.
Sleeping on the boat is fun. Cramped, inconvenient but fun and, again, gives you more time on the water as you haven’t got to worry about getting home.
On reflection, whilst I’ve always wondered if a Rib would be more fun than ours (we top out at 20knts), I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
The heater was on a fair bit.
It was lovely having hot water shower for the kids when they came out of wetsuits as they were ++cold.
Having a cabin to just get out of the breeze gives you much more time on the water.
Sleeping on the boat is fun. Cramped, inconvenient but fun and, again, gives you more time on the water as you haven’t got to worry about getting home.
On reflection, whilst I’ve always wondered if a Rib would be more fun than ours (we top out at 20knts), I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Badda said:
We spent the weekend on our boat - some thoughts on reflection…
The heater was on a fair bit.
It was lovely having hot water shower for the kids when they came out of wetsuits as they were ++cold.
Having a cabin to just get out of the breeze gives you much more time on the water.
Sleeping on the boat is fun. Cramped, inconvenient but fun and, again, gives you more time on the water as you haven’t got to worry about getting home.
On reflection, whilst I’ve always wondered if a Rib would be more fun than ours (we top out at 20knts), I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
Absolutely, and maybe the next step up for the OP.The heater was on a fair bit.
It was lovely having hot water shower for the kids when they came out of wetsuits as they were ++cold.
Having a cabin to just get out of the breeze gives you much more time on the water.
Sleeping on the boat is fun. Cramped, inconvenient but fun and, again, gives you more time on the water as you haven’t got to worry about getting home.
On reflection, whilst I’ve always wondered if a Rib would be more fun than ours (we top out at 20knts), I think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
A 6+ metre RIB for days out in calm conditions, carrying all the toys, might be all that Bill and his family require?
We await the revised budget......
Well done Bill but be warned, if you decide after hiring one that you want a RIB then that's another whopper of a minefield!
They are bonkers money for what they are but you certainly shouldn't lose any money especially if you go for something that's family friendly.
I love mine but it suits my boating lifestyle and if it's pouring down or the weather is generally unpleasant, I simply don't take it out. As every boater will tell you there are just those perfect trips that make it all worthwhile...........!
They are bonkers money for what they are but you certainly shouldn't lose any money especially if you go for something that's family friendly.
I love mine but it suits my boating lifestyle and if it's pouring down or the weather is generally unpleasant, I simply don't take it out. As every boater will tell you there are just those perfect trips that make it all worthwhile...........!
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