Americans didn't drop the bomb...
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ks from a blinkered and fairly uninformed perspective, with the strange belief that Wikipedia is the one and only source of "facts" in the world.
Not sure why some are being so cruel. So, one persons eye-witness account doesn't tally with the history books? With the amount of disinformation at the time (e.g. carrots help you see in the dark) it isn't wise to believe everything you were told at school.
But, this just sounds like he saw Fat Boy, and he may even be correct that it wouldn't fit in the Enola Gay.
But, this just sounds like he saw Fat Boy, and he may even be correct that it wouldn't fit in the Enola Gay.
The idea of using radio controlled unmanned aircraft dates back to the very beginnings of aviation and was thought of in many different countries at much the same time. Early developments in WW1 were hampered by the fairly heavyweight radio sets and batteries of the day. Further work was carried out in a number of countries in the 1920s with what were called, at the time, aerial torpedoes.
The first successful and practical adaptation of remote control aircraft for military use was probably the Britsh Queen Bee and Queen Wasp "drone" aircraft which were used as targets for anti-aircraft gunnery training. The Queen Bee was based on the Tiger Moth and the Queen Wasp was a purpose built drone.
Rapid progess was made by all sides in WW2 with the Germans concentrating on rocket powered missiles. The Americans tried using radio controlled heavy bombers with not much in the way of success.
It was the German missile technology which was the harbinger of future weapons systems.
The first successful and practical adaptation of remote control aircraft for military use was probably the Britsh Queen Bee and Queen Wasp "drone" aircraft which were used as targets for anti-aircraft gunnery training. The Queen Bee was based on the Tiger Moth and the Queen Wasp was a purpose built drone.
Rapid progess was made by all sides in WW2 with the Germans concentrating on rocket powered missiles. The Americans tried using radio controlled heavy bombers with not much in the way of success.
It was the German missile technology which was the harbinger of future weapons systems.
Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 3rd July 10:10
Oh come on, you sceptics! Clearly the bomb was dropped by the Roswell alien craft which then jumped through time to 1953 when it crashed at Roswell giving the Americans amazing technology to allow them to fake the moon landings and then over 30 years later they had to pay back the aliens by blowing up the World Trade Centre with explosives built into the towers during construction.
The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
Zod said:
Oh come on, you sceptics! Clearly the bomb was dropped by the Roswell alien craft which then jumped through time to 1953 when it crashed at Roswell giving the Americans amazing technology to allow them to fake the moon landings and then over 30 years later they had to pay back the aliens by blowing up the World Trade Centre with explosives built into the towers during construction.
The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
Ok that's just stupid.The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
It was clearly done by Michael Jackson travelling back in time, thus faking his own death
Much as I'd love to believe it was dropped by the RAF I can't see it happening.
However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
Chris71 said:
Much as I'd love to believe it was dropped by the RAF I can't see it happening.
However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
i'll be the first to admit that my aeronautical knowledge is scant, but I thought it was spitfire pilots who 'accidently' broke the sound barrier first, in fast dives?...However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
TTwiggy said:
Chris71 said:
Much as I'd love to believe it was dropped by the RAF I can't see it happening.
However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
i'll be the first to admit that my aeronautical knowledge is scant, but I thought it was spitfire pilots who 'accidently' broke the sound barrier first, in fast dives?...However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country. IIRC for several years it was publically believed the British were the first to break the sound barrier as Chuck Yeager's exploits in the states were kept secret.
grumbledoak said:
Chris71 said:
However, there has been at least one case of a secret aeronautical 'first' being attributed to the wrong country.
You can start with the first ever powered flight. It wasn't who most people think it was.Chris71 said:
elster said:
However the man who deserves the most appreciation for all flight is the Grandfather of Aviation Sir George Cayley.
Ask most people and they would have no idea who he is, unfortunately.
...or indeed his footman.Ask most people and they would have no idea who he is, unfortunately.
Zod said:
Oh come on, you sceptics! Clearly the bomb was dropped by the Roswell alien craft which then jumped through time to 1953 when it crashed at Roswell giving the Americans amazing technology to allow them to fake the moon landings and then over 30 years later they had to pay back the aliens by blowing up the World Trade Centre with explosives built into the towers during construction.
The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
How can we take you seriously when your facts are skewed....the spaceship crashed in Roswell in 1948, not 1953. The rest of your stuff is plausible.The truth is staring you in the face, but you refuse to see it!
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 3rd July 21:49
Chris71 said:
Are you reffering to the chap in Chard with his steam engine?
Not heard that one.Richard Pearce in NZ beat the Wright Brothers to it: http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.htm...
"They had only one bomb bay and four engines -- much larger than a B-29," Banks said.
Could that not have meant that the bomb bay was larger than that of a B-29?
I know the B-17 had a much smaller bomb bay than the Lancaster, think the B29 has fairly small bomb bays as well.
Lincolns were pretty much Lancasters, had performance enough to have done the mission though I do not know if the bomb would have fitted into even a Lincoln and Im sure the bomb would have fitted into the modified B-29s (otherwise why build it and modify the B-29s?).
Lincolns would have had the range to get out to Tinian from wherever, taking experts/VIPs out/ checking to see if the bomb could be carried by a Lincoln?
Think its nonesense but wouldnt suprise me if there was truth to it. You will never hear the full story about WW2.
Does have a pretty big bomb bay.
Could that not have meant that the bomb bay was larger than that of a B-29?
I know the B-17 had a much smaller bomb bay than the Lancaster, think the B29 has fairly small bomb bays as well.
Lincolns were pretty much Lancasters, had performance enough to have done the mission though I do not know if the bomb would have fitted into even a Lincoln and Im sure the bomb would have fitted into the modified B-29s (otherwise why build it and modify the B-29s?).
Lincolns would have had the range to get out to Tinian from wherever, taking experts/VIPs out/ checking to see if the bomb could be carried by a Lincoln?
Think its nonesense but wouldnt suprise me if there was truth to it. You will never hear the full story about WW2.
Does have a pretty big bomb bay.svm said:
richw_82 said:
Maybe to save face? There was talk of 617 sqn "The Dambusters" doing the job, they were the world leaders in precision bombing during the war and for a good few years after. It kind of makes it a bit too convenient in several other areas which have been confirmed.
Precision bombing? To hit a city?No, thinking about this it does hold some weight... The yanks could have hit London by mistake instead of Hiroshima if left to their own devices.
Its mentioned in the book, by Paul Brickhill, that they knew they were about to go to the far east but were stopped when some one dropped a bomb bigger than theirs (the grand slam). So, a comment from 617 saying they were not there, it would appear.
Eric Mc said:
See my previous comment - Lancasters and Lincolns would not have been able to fly high enough to drop the atom bombs safely.
Lincolns service ceiling was 30,500 feet. Hiroshima was bombed from 31,000 feet. Does 500 feet make that much of a difference? Unless that is for a B2, but I have seen that figure from a number of different places quoted for the b.1.
Still I cannot see any reason why a Lincoln would have been used, doubt there was any anywhere near the whole thing anyway.
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