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LimaDelta

6,520 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Krikkit said:
LimaDelta said:
Condi said:
I think its one of those jobs which looks great from the outside, or to do for a couple of years, but is it something you would want to do for a long time? Same with ski instructor, sailing instructor, holiday reps etc. Looks like their having a lot of fun, then you realise they're 32, living in a dorm, get paid very little and everything they do get paid goes on booze and funding a lifestyle in an expensive place. Fine if you're 22, not so good at 32! Although obviously depends what you want out of life.
Even a junior deckhand or stew will be taking home mid to high 30k excluding tips. Most seniors/HODs comfortably on five-figures a month. I don't know what you earn Condi, but a bit disingenuous to claim that crew 'get paid very little'. Especially (as is quickly becoming the norm through the industry) for only working 6 months of the year. Even without all the travel perks and benefits it is a pretty good position to be in, but obviously not for everyone.
I think he was more focussing on the ski/sailing/holiday type role more than ship's crew by that point - another aspect remains the same though, in that you have to be prepared to spend 6 months of the year living in fairly tight quarters, unsociable hours etc. Not everyone can do that.
I'm sure someone coming from a 9-5 background would find it difficult. Especially having to live with coworkers. That said, the industry tends to weed out unsuitable types, so the people who stick around tend to be very easy to get along with.

The time away can be hard, especially with a family, but I can honestly say that I spend more time (and more quality time) with my kids than many of my more-conventionally employed peers at home. Boy finds it much harder than girl when I'm away, but for them 'daddy going to work' is all they have ever known. It's not perfect by any means but show me someone who's life is? It's all a matter of compromises. It works for us, it won't for everyone.

Greshamst

2,053 posts

120 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Don’t forget that a lot of staff on ships that spend 6+ months on water don’t have to pay tax...
So if you’re young, earning £35k on a boat, once you factor in not having to pay rent, bills, food or tax, you’re equivalent earning is probably around £55k back home.

TartanPaint

2,988 posts

139 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Why don't they pay tax? I don't believe you, but I'm prepared to be corrected.

SHutchinson

2,040 posts

184 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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TartanPaint said:
Why don't they pay tax? I don't believe you, but I'm prepared to be corrected.
Non domiciled.

https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income/non-domicile...



  • edit: Errr, I meant seafarers deductions as below!! wink
Edited by SHutchinson on Thursday 1st August 13:51

LimaDelta

6,520 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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TartanPaint said:
Why don't they pay tax? I don't believe you, but I'm prepared to be corrected.
Seafarers deductions.

Thanks to Maggie (as I like to remind my militant-Jock co-workers).

Mike Random

466 posts

170 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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LimaDelta said:
Condi said:
I think its one of those jobs which looks great from the outside, or to do for a couple of years, but is it something you would want to do for a long time? Same with ski instructor, sailing instructor, holiday reps etc. Looks like their having a lot of fun, then you realise they're 32, living in a dorm, get paid very little and everything they do get paid goes on booze and funding a lifestyle in an expensive place. Fine if you're 22, not so good at 32! Although obviously depends what you want out of life.
Even a junior deckhand or stew will be taking home mid to high 30k excluding tips. Most seniors/HODs comfortably on five-figures a month. I don't know what you earn Condi, but a bit disingenuous to claim that crew 'get paid very little'. Especially (as is quickly becoming the norm through the industry) for only working 6 months of the year. Even without all the travel perks and benefits it is a pretty good position to be in, but obviously not for everyone.
Agree with LimaDelta, on any decent yacht crew don't get paid "very little" and rotation is certainly becoming the norm now. It is most definitely not a ski instructors type role.

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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Mike Random said:
LimaDelta said:
Condi said:
I think its one of those jobs which looks great from the outside, or to do for a couple of years, but is it something you would want to do for a long time? Same with ski instructor, sailing instructor, holiday reps etc. Looks like their having a lot of fun, then you realise they're 32, living in a dorm, get paid very little and everything they do get paid goes on booze and funding a lifestyle in an expensive place. Fine if you're 22, not so good at 32! Although obviously depends what you want out of life.
Even a junior deckhand or stew will be taking home mid to high 30k excluding tips. Most seniors/HODs comfortably on five-figures a month. I don't know what you earn Condi, but a bit disingenuous to claim that crew 'get paid very little'. Especially (as is quickly becoming the norm through the industry) for only working 6 months of the year. Even without all the travel perks and benefits it is a pretty good position to be in, but obviously not for everyone.
Agree with LimaDelta, on any decent yacht crew don't get paid "very little" and rotation is certainly becoming the norm now. It is most definitely not a ski instructors type role.
Ive been on plenty of high end fishing safaris, mother ship set ups and the crew work bloody hard. Not for the faint hearted but if you love the ocean and don't mind hard work then i can imagine it's very rewarding.

swanny71

2,853 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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sinbaddio said:
How do the Brits stack up? Reason for asking, I visited Pendennis in Falmouth a few years ago on business, and it seemed a mighty impressive set up - however it is the one and only time I've been in such a place.
Pretty well in my experience (though I am a little biased), especially for the really bespoke stuff.

Best engineered boat I’ve personally worked on was a Kiwi (shipyard now sadly closed).
Italian builds are a nightmare.
For the really big stuff, it has to be German or Dutch, though I’ve only worked on relatively small (55m) boats from those yards.

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Swanny, was that Alloy Yachts?

swanny71

2,853 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Condi said:
I think its one of those jobs which looks great from the outside, or to do for a couple of years, but is it something you would want to do for a long time? Same with ski instructor, sailing instructor, holiday reps etc. Looks like their having a lot of fun, then you realise they're 32, living in a dorm, get paid very little and everything they do get paid goes on booze and funding a lifestyle in an expensive place. Fine if you're 22, not so good at 32! Although obviously depends what you want out of life.
I loved my time as crew but kinda grew out of it when approaching 40. I came to it from a RN background so was well used to living/working in close proximity to others and still enjoy my brief visits to the boats I help look after but wouldn’t ever want to go back aboard full time.

I’ve been to some amazing places, had incredible experiences and met lifelong friends. Pay is fantastic, but the work hard and hours long/unpredictable. Rotation was great for a few years but also gave me a taste of a proper home life (for the first time ever) and convinced me it was time for a shore based job.

I’d do it all again if I was younger but do believe some of the fun has gone out of the job since it’s all become (and rightly so) more serious and professional.

Edited by swanny71 on Friday 2nd August 09:16

swanny71

2,853 posts

209 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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Burwood said:
Swanny, was that Alloy Yachts?
Yes mate, Salperton - lovely thing


Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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I was surprised they shut up shop. But Gary is a shrewd businessman and even he couldn’t make it work with currency headwinds

LimaDelta

6,520 posts

218 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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swanny71 said:
Burwood said:
Swanny, was that Alloy Yachts?
Yes mate, Salperton - lovely thing

They were building Vertigo when I was out there. Also very nice.

TheJimi

24,977 posts

243 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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swanny71 said:
Burwood said:
Swanny, was that Alloy Yachts?
Yes mate, Salperton - lovely thing

Agreed, that is a beautiful boat.

The proportions look spot on.

Would be interesting to see that next to The Maltese Falcon, and The Black Pearl.

blueg33

35,846 posts

224 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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I am in Copenhagen. Yas, is berthed s fee hundred metres away. Will try and get a pic if she stays put.

141 metres I think.

blueg33

35,846 posts

224 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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I am in Copenhagen. Yas, is berthed s fee hundred metres away. Will try and get a pic if she stays put.

141 metres I think.

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

138 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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LimaDelta said:
TheJimi said:
I did wonder about that, the Oceanco reference. Didn’t know whether it was true or not but the idea of it being owned by the builder did make me raise an eyebrow.

...and that leads me onto a question:

Who is regarded as the best superyacht builder?
It's debatable (like car brands), but the big German and Cloggy yards are undoubtedly at the top, while the Italians sit firmly at the bottom. I would want at least a 50% pay rise to have to suffer Italian 'engineering' again.
Feadship and Lurssen are the names people in the business always mention.

blueg33

35,846 posts

224 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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swanny71 said:
Burwood said:
Swanny, was that Alloy Yachts?
Yes mate, Salperton - lovely thing

A proper Bermudan rig set up. Much more elegant IMO than the high tech square rigs.

Speculatore

2,002 posts

235 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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DeltonaS said:
LimaDelta said:
TheJimi said:
I did wonder about that, the Oceanco reference. Didn’t know whether it was true or not but the idea of it being owned by the builder did make me raise an eyebrow.

...and that leads me onto a question:

Who is regarded as the best superyacht builder?
It's debatable (like car brands), but the big German and Cloggy yards are undoubtedly at the top, while the Italians sit firmly at the bottom. I would want at least a 50% pay rise to have to suffer Italian 'engineering' again.
Feadship and Lurssen are the names people in the business always mention.
Amels has come a long way with their 55 meter 'Limited Edition' yachts and now even larger.

RosscoPCole

3,318 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Was in Weymouth and saw Black Pearl moored in the bay. Looked very impressive. Can't believe that the masts are made from carbon fibre.