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blueg33 said:
Been thinking about the sailing yachts with Dynarig and in some cases the styling of a Nike trainer (Yacht A you know who I am talking about)
Yacht Endeavour
'Sail Assisted Motor Yacht 'A' doesn't have a Dynarig.Yacht Endeavour
I like the X-Bow vessels. Granted they are very different from normally constitutes attractive in a vessel, but in terms of performance in heavy weather, then I think that brings an attractiveness of it's own. Purpose has it's own beauty.
Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
IforB said:
I like the X-Bow vessels. Granted they are very different from normally constitutes attractive in a vessel, but in terms of performance in heavy weather, then I think that brings an attractiveness of it's own. Purpose has it's own beauty.
Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
It doesn't have to be one extreme to the other. Take Octopus, for example and incidentally, my favourite superyacht.Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
TheJimi said:
IforB said:
I like the X-Bow vessels. Granted they are very different from normally constitutes attractive in a vessel, but in terms of performance in heavy weather, then I think that brings an attractiveness of it's own. Purpose has it's own beauty.
Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
It doesn't have to be one extreme to the other. Take Octopus, for example and incidentally, my favourite superyacht.Looks are subjective, but as already pointed out, in big seas, I'd far rather be on one of these than many of the other gin palaces floating around.
No way I splash that dish for the occurrence of a big sea.
I’d either not go to sea, but out in the chopper, or give the Master a b
king for piss poor planning.No excuse for a gopping boat
If Google 10 seconds search is right - the billionaire owner has many ships :
https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht-olivia.html
I bet that Ulstein X-Bow is the equivalent of the 'works pick-up' he borrows for personal use. Owned and maintained by the corp.
https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht-olivia.html
I bet that Ulstein X-Bow is the equivalent of the 'works pick-up' he borrows for personal use. Owned and maintained by the corp.
Chris Stott said:
No guard rails On J’s, and crew aren’t wearing life jackets either.
But they’ll have at least one or two chase boats (big ribs) at all times for racing and training. Plus J’s generally have other boats following them most of the time given how rare and beautiful they are.
I only wear a jacket and clip on when working foredeck at night, or in very heavy weather.
Serious question, as genuinely interested to know. Have you, (or anyone else on here who is crew) ever been in the situation where conditions got too the point where a jacket became a must? But they’ll have at least one or two chase boats (big ribs) at all times for racing and training. Plus J’s generally have other boats following them most of the time given how rare and beautiful they are.
I only wear a jacket and clip on when working foredeck at night, or in very heavy weather.
I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
chilistrucker said:
Serious question, as genuinely interested to know. Have you, (or anyone else on here who is crew) ever been in the situation where conditions got too the point where a jacket became a must?
Not quite the answer to your question - but I fell out of my boat at speed, dislocating my shoulder in the process. Without my jacket, I wouldn't be here now. I wasn't/am not crew, this was a small private boat.chilistrucker said:
Serious question, as genuinely interested to know. Have you, (or anyone else on here who is crew) ever been in the situation where conditions got too the point where a jacket became a must?
I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
There are plenty of times at sea in commercial or leisure where you instinctively feel the need to don a lifejacket due to conditions, you also run through the locations of all the safety gear and then get on with it feeling prepared.... but its the time when complacent that will get you. I have decided this season (when we get one) to always wear a lifejacket when solo on board either on my boat or work, I'm sure my quota of "near misses" are is almost used up! I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
I will never forget this happening to a very experienced sailor in a lovely boat after a hairy crossing, but in the benign calm waters of Falmouth bay only a couple of hours away from being alongside the pontoon: https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/sailor-philip...
chilistrucker said:
Chris Stott said:
No guard rails On J’s, and crew aren’t wearing life jackets either.
But they’ll have at least one or two chase boats (big ribs) at all times for racing and training. Plus J’s generally have other boats following them most of the time given how rare and beautiful they are.
I only wear a jacket and clip on when working foredeck at night, or in very heavy weather.
Serious question, as genuinely interested to know. Have you, (or anyone else on here who is crew) ever been in the situation where conditions got too the point where a jacket became a must? But they’ll have at least one or two chase boats (big ribs) at all times for racing and training. Plus J’s generally have other boats following them most of the time given how rare and beautiful they are.
I only wear a jacket and clip on when working foredeck at night, or in very heavy weather.
I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
Alderney Race, wind over tide our boat had a 50ft mast, the boat following said we disappeared in the troughs of the waves
Hamble River, force 5 engine failed tacking up river between the boats to pick up a swinging mooring
Solent, nearly gale force, wind shifted quickly and we had a knockdown (i saw the tip of the mast hit the water), had to collect a crew member who had just unclipped to go below
English Channel, fog visibility less than a boat length, we could be hit by or hit anything
St Peter Port (same trip as the Alderney race), one crew member had concussion (long story) and fell into the harbour trying to get from the quay into the dinghy, lifejacket stopped her from drowning
Very early in my career at sea, I was working on a 12,000-tonne ferry. it did the route from Newhaven to Dieppe.
We were once caught in a storm so severe that the ship was ripped off the dock, and we had no choice but to head out to sea and sit there until the storm subsided.
I didn't put on my lifejacket, but I sure as hell had it ready and waiting. One of the ship's dancers was wearing her lifejacket and lying in the corridor, crying.
We were once caught in a storm so severe that the ship was ripped off the dock, and we had no choice but to head out to sea and sit there until the storm subsided.
I didn't put on my lifejacket, but I sure as hell had it ready and waiting. One of the ship's dancers was wearing her lifejacket and lying in the corridor, crying.
chilistrucker said:
Serious question, as genuinely interested to know. Have you, (or anyone else on here who is crew) ever been in the situation where conditions got too the point where a jacket became a must?
I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
I don't come on deck at night without a lifejacket (PFD) on, and I don't get out of the cockpit other than to sit on the rail if I'm not clipped on - so for anything such as sail changes, or to put a reef in and I'm clipped on. I have an automatic arming AIS locator and a manual personal locator beacon (personal EPRIB) in my PFD.I've only ever been on commercial ferries on a fair few different routes, and the Portsmouth too Bilbao and Santander could be interesting at times. I was normally fairly OK, but remember asking 1 of the barman who I got friendly with how I would know when I should be genuinely concerned?
He told me if ever I saw him wearing a jacket, then I should be concerned
I sailed for years, mainly inshore racing, and never wore one. 1st night race I did (Cherbourg Race), I was stood at the stern having a pee. It was a cloudy night, and as I looked behind the boat I realised I could see maybe 10-20M, then nothing but blackness. Immediately apparent that if I went overboard for any reason I'd stand almost zero chance of being found and rescued. Went below and put one of the boats vests on, and bought my own before our next race.
I've raced where they've been mandatory because of the conditions - life jackets and safety lines were compulsory for all boats allowed out on the Round the Island 2017 (cancelled the race for all the smaller classes as it was judged unsafe). We saw 40knts+ at the Needles, a boat sank, we saw another lose its mast, countless broaches, and numerous AIS alarms as other boats lost crew overboard. But that was more the vagaries of high wind against the tide in relatively shallow water. Coastguard and RNLI got a good work out that day!
In open seas, the waves are much bigger, but the water is deeper, so they are longer and less steep. On the Fastnet last year we had a solid 25-40knts in the Irish sea (so close to 50knts apparent upwind when you add on our 7-8knts of boat speed). Harder to judge the height if them, but you could lose sight of a 40-50ft yacht completely in the troughs. The 24 hours going upwind in that strength of wind was uncomfortable, cold (even in August) and very wet... it was pretty miserable, and we had several crew severely sea sick. Much nicer on the way back down, surfing along at 12knts! But it never felt dangerous - it only really get dangerous if you break something... if you lost your mast in those conditions for example, it would be pretty hairy.
I think the only time I've been a bit 'concerned' was Bay of Biscaye, end of May 2018. 3 of us were delivering my mates yacht from Plymouth to Baonia (northern Spain). We'd had a great day and half - 15-18knts, beautiful sunshine, mid 20*. We'd had the spinnaker up since about 10am in the morning and we were flying along at a solid 9-10knts... it was exactly as the weather forecast had said it would be for all 3 days... perfect sailing
We had dinner, and Steve, the owner, went below for a sleep before his watch. I was flying the kite and John was helming... we'd had the autohelm on through the day, but the sea state was getting increasingly heavy and the autohelm was over steering the boat (this should probably have been an early warning sign).
About an hour after darkness fell, the wind started picking up. In the space of 15 mins it went from 15-18, to gusting high 20's. We were discussing waking Steve up to help us get the kite down (we have a full mast head spinnaker - not made for anything over 20 really), when a gust in the mid 30's spun us round. We had a boom preventer on, so that was fine, but we ended up with the top of the kite wrapped round the forstay. Then it started pissing it down... proper horizontal stuff. We didn't need to wake Steve! Going on foredeck and getting the kite down in those conditions wasn't much fun... it was wrapped so tight it took me nearly an hour to free it, get it down, bag it, then clear up the pole and lines.
Steve did the Middle Sea Race in 2017 (Malta, round Sicily, back to Malta)... they were 13 up on a chartered 1st 45. The race got hit by a massive storm, and the vast majority of the fleet ran to Messina to hide... but not the guy who'd chartered the boat Steve was on.... they continued. At one stage they only had 3 fit crew - the rest were below, battered and sick (all had paid for the 'privilege' of doing the race) . Overnight, the boat was taking such a battering that some of the hull fittings started letting in water and the bilge pumps couldn't clear it - they had to hand bail with a bucket. Steve said that as much as he needed to, he couldn't go below for a sleep as everything was wet through and covered in vomit. They lost their mainsail, but eventually finished, coming over the line with double headsails.
I did Santander to Southampton last November in a massive storm (40-50knts, massive waves)... I was more worried about my car moving on the car deck than the boat sinking... they are built for it.... 200m long, 25,000T.
Edited by Chris Stott on Saturday 2nd May 18:13
Thanks again all some great info and very interesting posts 
I have never been on anything other than a ferry so have no idea how 'interesting' it can get on anything smaller. I Did the Portsmouth too Bilbao a fair few times with the lorry, normally to avoid French driving bans and a few of those were choppy at times. I remember the Captain once announcing the weather expected for the trip and iirc it was storm force 10 (?) It was certainly enough too keep a fair few passengers in their cabins and I remember the fruit machines going over in the small casino.
Paulguitar, serious question, have you worked on Brittany Ferries, and do you do Prince?
I have never been on anything other than a ferry so have no idea how 'interesting' it can get on anything smaller. I Did the Portsmouth too Bilbao a fair few times with the lorry, normally to avoid French driving bans and a few of those were choppy at times. I remember the Captain once announcing the weather expected for the trip and iirc it was storm force 10 (?) It was certainly enough too keep a fair few passengers in their cabins and I remember the fruit machines going over in the small casino.
Paulguitar, serious question, have you worked on Brittany Ferries, and do you do Prince?
chilistrucker said:
Thanks again all some great info and very interesting posts
Paulguitar, serious question, have you worked on Brittany Ferries, and do you do Prince?
I never worked for Brittany. Back in my ferry days, I did Stenaline, Irish Ferries and P&O.Paulguitar, serious question, have you worked on Brittany Ferries, and do you do Prince?
I am currently working on 'Purple Rain', and plan to have that in my repertoire if we ever get back to sea!
paulguitar said:
Very early in my career at sea, I was working on a 12,000-tonne ferry. it did the route from Newhaven to Dieppe.
We were once caught in a storm so severe that the ship was ripped off the dock, and we had no choice but to head out to sea and sit there until the storm subsided.
I didn't put on my lifejacket, but I sure as hell had it ready and waiting. One of the ship's dancers was wearing her lifejacket and lying in the corridor, crying.
Was that the Senlac?We were once caught in a storm so severe that the ship was ripped off the dock, and we had no choice but to head out to sea and sit there until the storm subsided.
I didn't put on my lifejacket, but I sure as hell had it ready and waiting. One of the ship's dancers was wearing her lifejacket and lying in the corridor, crying.
My wife organised charity balls for a children’s charity back in the 1990s. She raised a lot of money.
We did a booze cruise for the first one, and were caught in a storm on the way back.
We were out at sea for 8 hours because our ferry had better stabilisers, or somesuch.
Even the staff were throwing up, the duty free was a sea of glass.
Eventually, it was our turn to dock and our car was the second last.
We were told we should gun it when they said, and the boat was, even in port, rising and falling to a disturbing degree.
They counted us down on fingers, 3...2...1 and I floored it and we virtually flew off the boat.
I looked in the rear view mirror to see the last car behind me and the ship already pulling away from the dock to wait it out offshore.
A memorable night, and impressive seamanship.
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