super yachts 60million+

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Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
I suppose it's all relative. In the Big Swinging ick world of superyachts there's a very clear hierarchy.

Does Tommy £100m want his yacht to be the biggest in Puerto Banus harbour from where he can listen to the techno in the brothels, or the smallest in the commercial docks, amongst those owned by Vlad £10bn and Dmitri £15bn and Jeff £200bn.


LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
Depends entirely on your frame of reference.

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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RevsPerMinute said:
Burwood said:
Dan_1981 said:
Come on then...

What do we know about Jeff's new sailing boat?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5707932...

Black Pearl & SY & MY A both mentioned in the article.
Given those in the know 'knew' he owned Flying Fox (not the case) and the media say its a 500M built (which it isn't). I'd say buggar all is known as fact. Clearly he ordered the yacht some time ago. Looking forward to seeing it. The biggest sailing Yacht, should be impressive
Interesting he chose sail as propulsion.

I wonder if the design discussions went a little something like this:

'But Jeff, don't you think some people might grumble about you not helping the planet if they see you rolling past in your 10,000 tonne luxury triple engine mega yacht burning 1500 ltrs an hour.'
' You're right. How silly. Stick some masts on it, and we will say its carbon neutral.'
Can't help but think Elon Musk is going to be a further thorn in "Jeff who's" over this, not by direct criticism but by comparison.

Last year Musk sold all his houses and most of his property and redefined his wealth as "ability to allocate capital to projects".

Which actually makes sense and is from a societal perspective probably how we should view the difference between "good" and "bad" wealth.

Ergo there is nothing wrong with self made people having lots of nominal wealth provided it is all invested in productive activities (e.g. Amazon, Blue Origin, Tesla), this is no different to an minister having control of a government department which has a budget of billions in fact given that said self made billionaire has a history of sufficient good judgement to allow them to have those assets it could be said they are more qualified than a minister who just licked the right arses or conned a significant amount of the electorate to decide how that money should be invested.

The rules would be:

1: Minimize your personal consumption beyond what you need for your job e.g. private jets ok, yachts less so. Buying stuff that will make it cheaper/possible for me to have one in the future is also okay. I'd guesstimate that maybe £30 million would be a maximum acceptable personal asset limit.
2: No rent seeking assets, if you can't create value give it away
3: Give it all away once you retire, no inheritances

In exchange we shouldn't demand that billionaires give away their money to solve depressing problems that government really ought to solve!

Suspect that Jeff probably wouldn't order that yacht in today's climate!


Edited by Talksteer on Monday 17th May 21:38

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
Depends entirely on your frame of reference.
I don't think it does...

By any frame of reference, someone at that level has "made it" - and I'd suggest the vast majority of them recognise very well the restrictions and limitations that 'moving up' to someone like Gates/Musk/Bezos' level brings.

So there has to be an element of motivation/desire if we're going to call someone a "wannabe" - as in, they have to demonstrably 'want to be' in the megayacht as opposed to the super yacht.

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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Sway said:
LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
Depends entirely on your frame of reference.
I don't think it does...

By any frame of reference, someone at that level has "made it" - and I'd suggest the vast majority of them recognise very well the restrictions and limitations that 'moving up' to someone like Gates/Musk/Bezos' level brings.

So there has to be an element of motivation/desire if we're going to call someone a "wannabe" - as in, they have to demonstrably 'want to be' in the megayacht as opposed to the super yacht.
I'm guessing you haven't spent much time around the sort of Instafamous people running around in 30m Mangustas in the SoF and the like. Wannabees are exactly who they are, on the superyacht equivalent of a Golf R, paid for with daddy's money.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
Depends entirely on your frame of reference.
I don't think it does...

By any frame of reference, someone at that level has "made it" - and I'd suggest the vast majority of them recognise very well the restrictions and limitations that 'moving up' to someone like Gates/Musk/Bezos' level brings.

So there has to be an element of motivation/desire if we're going to call someone a "wannabe" - as in, they have to demonstrably 'want to be' in the megayacht as opposed to the super yacht.
I'm guessing you haven't spent much time around the sort of Instafamous people running around in 30m Mangustas in the SoF and the like. Wannabees are exactly who they are, on the superyacht equivalent of a Golf R, paid for with daddy's money.
I try not to...

However, there are plenty of others (I know a few 'bluewater cruisers' who don't fit that mark at all) who aren't...

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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Sway said:
LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
LimaDelta said:
Sway said:
I don't think anyone that can afford to buy and operate a >100 footer is a 'wannabe'...
Depends entirely on your frame of reference.
I don't think it does...

By any frame of reference, someone at that level has "made it" - and I'd suggest the vast majority of them recognise very well the restrictions and limitations that 'moving up' to someone like Gates/Musk/Bezos' level brings.

So there has to be an element of motivation/desire if we're going to call someone a "wannabe" - as in, they have to demonstrably 'want to be' in the megayacht as opposed to the super yacht.
I'm guessing you haven't spent much time around the sort of Instafamous people running around in 30m Mangustas in the SoF and the like. Wannabees are exactly who they are, on the superyacht equivalent of a Golf R, paid for with daddy's money.
I try not to...

However, there are plenty of others (I know a few 'bluewater cruisers' who don't fit that mark at all) who aren't...
Hence my original statement, it depends entirely on your frame of reference.

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 17th May 2021
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Lima is bang on. We've all crossed paths with a wannabe or social climber, whatever the term. They get great joy from the attention and adulation of others.


ColdoRS

1,796 posts

126 months

Wednesday 19th May 2021
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A thread favourite just now in Tivat, Montenegro.



Edited by ColdoRS on Wednesday 19th May 17:49

ColdoRS

1,796 posts

126 months

Thursday 20th May 2021
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And by night, in the pissing rain.



dvs_dave

8,581 posts

224 months

Thursday 20th May 2021
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NickCQ said:
z4RRSchris said:
he has a cracking office in St James Square, one of the highest rents in London. Its the old Iranian embassy and his desk sits next to the window they shot out of to kill PC Fletcher. The office prob costs a few mill a year and there were 6 desks in it!
They must have a lot of space. My old employer had a floor on the square a few doors down that cost £1.2 mm / year for about 40 of us.
I was heavily involved in the fitout of 11-12 St James square....at the time, the most expensive office space in the world.

tinnitusjosh

324 posts

71 months

Thursday 20th May 2021
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mackie1 said:
A few years ago it cost $200k + to fill the tanks of Octopus.



~$200m to build apparently and still my fave mega yacht. You could do some proper exploring with that.

It makes Amevi/Alfa Nero look like toys.
Nooo Octopus is so gross - it looks like a naff ferry!

For me, yachting is about freedom and being able to go anywhere and do whatever you want.

My vote is for Ulysses or Andromeda - this vid sums it up nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_9Q-l3snGM




RevsPerMinute

1,874 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th May 2021
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I agree. Whilst Octopus was certainly the first yacht of her kind. I think she serves to demonstrate how much the industry has advanced in the last 20 years in regards to design and features of super luxurious go anywhere mega yachts.

Perhaps it's best if she's purchased and converted for use a luxury small explorer type cruise operation?!


tinnitusjosh said:
Nooo Octopus is so gross - it looks like a naff ferry!

For me, yachting is about freedom and being able to go anywhere and do whatever you want.

My vote is for Ulysses or Andromeda

patchb

946 posts

113 months

Saturday 22nd May 2021
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tinnitusjosh said:
Nooo Octopus is so gross - it looks like a naff ferry!

For me, yachting is about freedom and being able to go anywhere and do whatever you want.

My vote is for Ulysses or Andromeda - this vid sums it up nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_9Q-l3snGM

We supplied that Princess P68 sat next to her in the photo. Imagine having a 68ft yacht as a tender, and they have a similar size catamaran that sits next to it in the bow of the main vessel!

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Saturday 22nd May 2021
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ColdoRS said:
A thread favourite just now in Tivat, Montenegro.



Edited by ColdoRS on Wednesday 19th May 17:49
I have a bike carrier on the roof of my car which acts as an excellent aid in finding the car in the local ASDA Waitrose car park. I’d like to think the masts assist similarly when the owner stumbles out of Yates’ Wine Bar of an evening.

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd May 2021
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patchb said:
We supplied that Princess P68 sat next to her in the photo. Imagine having a 68ft yacht as a tender, and they have a similar size catamaran that sits next to it in the bow of the main vessel!
You know you've made it when your superyacht tenders need tenders.

K4sper

324 posts

71 months

Sunday 23rd May 2021
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thegreenhell said:
patchb said:
We supplied that Princess P68 sat next to her in the photo. Imagine having a 68ft yacht as a tender, and they have a similar size catamaran that sits next to it in the bow of the main vessel!
You know you've made it when your superyacht tenders need tenders.
A fair few of my clients have Wajer 55s as their tenders / chase boats for their mega yachts - most people would be happy enough with just one of those i suspect (including Tom Brady, apparently)

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Sunday 30th May 2021
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New British national yacht announced:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57293882

Looks very classy.



AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Sunday 30th May 2021
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I'm not convinced it looks classy. It's lines look rather inelegant to me. I'm glad it isn't an identikit gin palace super yacht but, if that rendering is correct, it is not a good-looking thing.