EuroFighter Tycoon

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mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 21st July 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
Eric Mc said:
Because EVERY advantage is worth having. I am sure the Typhoon is optomised for a BVR engagement - but any fighter pilot worth his salt will value having an agile fighter under him as well as fast one. Ask all those chaps who fly F-16s, F-15s and MiG 29s - and ask those pilots who are gladly giving up their Tornado F3s.

Also, ask those American pilots who rode into Vietnamese skies in their missile toting, non-agile Phantoms thinking they were going to have it all their opwn way.
The F3 pilots don't all get Typhoons. My Bro in law went from F3 to Hawk!
well he's either an Instructor or the Hawk was red ...

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

278 months

Wednesday 21st July 2010
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mph1977 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Eric Mc said:
Because EVERY advantage is worth having. I am sure the Typhoon is optomised for a BVR engagement - but any fighter pilot worth his salt will value having an agile fighter under him as well as fast one. Ask all those chaps who fly F-16s, F-15s and MiG 29s - and ask those pilots who are gladly giving up their Tornado F3s.

Also, ask those American pilots who rode into Vietnamese skies in their missile toting, non-agile Phantoms thinking they were going to have it all their opwn way.
The F3 pilots don't all get Typhoons. My Bro in law went from F3 to Hawk!
well he's either an Instructor or the Hawk was red ...
Instructor at Valley. Mach loop and all that.


mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Wednesday 21st July 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
mph1977 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Eric Mc said:
Because EVERY advantage is worth having. I am sure the Typhoon is optomised for a BVR engagement - but any fighter pilot worth his salt will value having an agile fighter under him as well as fast one. Ask all those chaps who fly F-16s, F-15s and MiG 29s - and ask those pilots who are gladly giving up their Tornado F3s.

Also, ask those American pilots who rode into Vietnamese skies in their missile toting, non-agile Phantoms thinking they were going to have it all their opwn way.
The F3 pilots don't all get Typhoons. My Bro in law went from F3 to Hawk!
well he's either an Instructor or the Hawk was red ...
Instructor at Valley. Mach loop and all that.
if he is an instructor a tour instructing is par for the course and potentially unrelated to tonka > typhoon fleet changes ( for pilots anyway vs nav /WSO)

perdu

4,884 posts

198 months

Friday 23rd July 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
mph1977 said:
Ayahuasca said:
Eric Mc said:
Because EVERY advantage is worth having. I am sure the Typhoon is optomised for a BVR engagement - but any fighter pilot worth his salt will value having an agile fighter under him as well as fast one. Ask all those chaps who fly F-16s, F-15s and MiG 29s - and ask those pilots who are gladly giving up their Tornado F3s.

Also, ask those American pilots who rode into Vietnamese skies in their missile toting, non-agile Phantoms thinking they were going to have it all their opwn way.
The F3 pilots don't all get Typhoons. My Bro in law went from F3 to Hawk!
well he's either an Instructor or the Hawk was red ...
Instructor at Valley. Mach loop and all that.
might have been him blasting me off the bog this morning and yesterday afternoon then smile

(separate incidents by the way smile )

just spent a week at Fairbourne/Barmouth, too much cloud for a lot of flying I suspect. It was better (noisier) last October


still good though

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Saturday 24th July 2010
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mph1977 said:
if he is an instructor a tour instructing is par for the course and potentially unrelated to tonka > typhoon fleet changes ( for pilots anyway vs nav /WSO)
So what are all the WSOs from air defence Tornados going to do when the same job is done by single seaters? Are there enough related slots in other aircraft to absorb them?

Bosshogg76

792 posts

182 months

Saturday 24th July 2010
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Dr Jekyll said:
mph1977 said:
if he is an instructor a tour instructing is par for the course and potentially unrelated to tonka > typhoon fleet changes ( for pilots anyway vs nav /WSO)
So what are all the WSOs from air defence Tornados going to do when the same job is done by single seaters? Are there enough related slots in other aircraft to absorb them?
The latest RAF careers bulletin, You can fly one of these in the RAF:



Some baggage have made the leap to GR's some are using the radars in Sentinel. The rest? well there is a SDR on you know, cuts have to be made....................

jimbobsimmonds

1,824 posts

164 months

Saturday 24th July 2010
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yea, couple of years ago inquired about going into the RAF as a WSO...

"come back in 3 years and we can talk"...

right...

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

183 months

Saturday 24th July 2010
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WSO's, Navs, whatever you call them, they're all just self loading freight! wink

Zulu09

5 posts

164 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Zulu09 said:
Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.
Interesting read - thanks.

It raises a very interesting question. Why do the Russians still see the strategic / tactical need for the PAK-DA programme. FA I can understand, but the west abandoned strategic bombers a long time ago.

Riggernut

1,681 posts

230 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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rhinochopig said:
Zulu09 said:
Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.
Interesting read - thanks.

It raises a very interesting question. Why do the Russians still see the strategic / tactical need for the PAK-DA programme. FA I can understand, but the west abandoned strategic bombers a long time ago.
Export, a lot of countries have aged platforms. F22 at a guess is none exportable.

Edited by Riggernut on Tuesday 27th July 16:52

Traveller

4,161 posts

216 months

Tuesday 27th July 2010
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Zulu09 said:
Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.
Very interesting read, a serious worry for the Typhoon and the F-35, add this to decent AWACS support and competent pilots, negates the technological advantage, enjoyed by the Typhoon.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

197 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Riggernut said:
rhinochopig said:
Zulu09 said:
Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.
Interesting read - thanks.

It raises a very interesting question. Why do the Russians still see the strategic / tactical need for the PAK-DA programme. FA I can understand, but the west abandoned strategic bombers a long time ago.
Export, a lot of countries have aged platforms. F22 at a guess is none exportable.

Edited by Riggernut on Tuesday 27th July 16:52
I think you missed my point - the DA programme is for the strategic bomber. The FA programme is for the fighter.

Riggernut

1,681 posts

230 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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rhinochopig said:
Riggernut said:
rhinochopig said:
Zulu09 said:
Hi guys i'm new to the forum and have read this topic with some interest. Hopefully the link works and will be of some interest to you:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Ruskie_Je...

regards zulu09.
Interesting read - thanks.

It raises a very interesting question. Why do the Russians still see the strategic / tactical need for the PAK-DA programme. FA I can understand, but the west abandoned strategic bombers a long time ago.
Export, a lot of countries have aged platforms. F22 at a guess is none exportable.

Edited by Riggernut on Tuesday 27th July 16:52
I think you missed my point - the DA programme is for the strategic bomber. The FA programme is for the fighter.
Yeah sorry, misread FA/DA. Well I'd have thought Tu160's whilst not at the end of their life are getting on a fair bit. Coupled with the fact that the Ukrainians hold most of them its a possibly spares will become an issue in the future.

Suppose its a bit like our Trident issue, prepare for all eventualities.

Maybe certain other countries who are in with the FA want replacements for their current bombers.