Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)
Discussion
blueg33 said:
Some RAF pilots I think 
TrueIn the only wars since 1950 with the UK having responsibility for a significant air to air element (Korea and Falklands) it's been the responsibility of the Royal Navy.
In GW1 there were some RAF fighters in Saudi for air defence, and there's a report they did have an Iraqi jet in their sights at one time but a Saudi pilot was tracking the same jet and took the shot.
In the Malaya/Indonesia conflict there were rumours of a Gloster Javelin shooting down an Indonesian C130. These seem to be a combination of the Indonesians losing a C130 for unexplained reasons and a Javelin returning to base with one less missile than it set off with. The missile was officially attributed to an emergency jettison (though it didn't look like that to the ground crew). The C130 is generally thought to have just crashed but it suited UK interests at the time for the Indonesians to think it might have been shot down.
There is also a suggestion that a Vampire or Venom may have shot down a MIG-15 during the Suez campaign.
Even if these are both true, RAF jet fighters have had fewer air to air kills than USAF B52s.
HowlerMonkey said:
Eric Mc said:
They are. The removal of the air scoop under the fuselage on Galloping Ghost was a contributory factor to the buckling of the fuselage which led to loss of control.
Incorrect.................the fuselage survived at least 12Gs and was still pulling 12gs at the time of impact.We also have an almost identical event in 1998 with the only difference being that the plane ended up at altitude instead of crashing.
When you say "we also had a almost identical event in 1998", any chance you could elaborate? I'm not being sceptical - I am genuinely interested. Was it another modified Mustang?
Eric Mc said:
One of the pictures taken seconds before the fatal pull up showed the rear fuselage buckling just after the loss of the trim tab. The immediate cause of the accident was the loss of the trim tab - of course.
When you say "we also had a almost identical event in 1998", any chance you could elaborate? I'm not being sceptical - I am genuinely interested. Was it another modified Mustang?
Bob "hurricane" Hanna, the former motocross champion was piloting an airplane named Voodoo.............which is racing today at reno for the championship.When you say "we also had a almost identical event in 1998", any chance you could elaborate? I'm not being sceptical - I am genuinely interested. Was it another modified Mustang?
http://airrace.org/ will have live streaming of the race pretty soon if not already.
The skin "oil canning" is not "buckling" and many planes do that.
I know the picture you are going to post and it was not on the lap of the accident.
Rare Bear, Dreadnought, Czechmate, and a few others have shown the same thing.
http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthread.php?910-...
http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/showthread.php?8064...
Ayahuasca said:
What was the black Sierra estate for?
MT fleet car or 'staff car' of some sort.The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
MartG said:
RAF Germany scenery shot with Bruggen Phantoms, Laarbruch Buccaneer, Wildenrath Harrier and Gutersloh Lightning seen over the Maas-river near Roermond, 1975. RAF/Crown copyright.
Very cool!
yellowjack said:
MT fleet car or 'staff car' of some sort.
The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
Cheers. Surprised they didn't seem to make much use of the LR Defender for airfield runabout duties.The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
Ayahuasca said:
yellowjack said:
MT fleet car or 'staff car' of some sort.
The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
Cheers. Surprised they didn't seem to make much use of the LR Defender for airfield runabout duties.The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
Another interesting article http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/13_au...
yellowjack said:
Ayahuasca said:
What was the black Sierra estate for?
MT fleet car or 'staff car' of some sort.The army and RAF always had "civilian" cars in the fleet. Serviced and maintained 'in house' too. Almost always black and, unless it was specifically a CO's staff car, almost always a base model.
When we used to go to RAF St Athan in the early 80s I remember there were a lot of black Cortinas and Escorts about the place. Some even had a yellow stripe with 'RAF' written on the side.
Later on I recall the workhorse of the army fleet being the three-door MkIII Escort estate, in 'Popular' trim. Then terrorism took a hand, and the IRA started to carry out more attacks on the mainland UK and in Europe. The black cars were too easy to spot as military and the fleet began to change to 'various basic colours' to blend in more.
MT types in the military refer to the vehicle fleets as "Green Fleet" ('proper' military vehicles for war fighting, usually painted green or green/black camo), "Grey Fleet" (MOD owned vehicles that don't fit into the "Green Fleet" category) - my last unit had some LWB Hi-Cap Iveco vans for transporting stuff like the regimental dive team to tasks in support of EOD & Search operations, and "White Fleet" vehicles. Most "civilian" vehicles in military use are now supplied as an 'on demand' lease basis by companies like Lex. Supposedly to save money by only having vehicles on site when they're actually going to be used rather than sitting around quietly depreciating and costing money in idle servicing.
So in the days when that photo was taken, if an airman needed a car to carry out a task, he'd put in a requisition form to MT and they'd allocate one of their black estate cars to him for the duration of the task. Otherwise that car would be sat idle in the MT yard. Now, you want a car, you put in a requisition form in good time, MT demand a car through the local MT hub, they task Lex to deliver a vehicle to the unit and the soldier/airman uses it for as long as needed. The idea then is to use that one car as efficiently as possible while it's in the unit, but when it has a gap in it's schedule it either goes back to Lex or up the road to another local unit. Even CO's cars are leased this way now, and they go back to Lex when servicing becomes due or there are faults with the vehicle. The MOD just pay for their useage, and if it's not serviceable for some reason then Lex (or whichever fleet lease company are fulfilling the contract) pick up the tab for repairs and get to have to supply another car.
In short, those black cars tended not (in my experience) to have a specific role/use, but were almost "squadron runabouts" although their use was more closely monitored and accounted for.
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