Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)

Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 2)

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irocfan

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Monday 13th July 2020
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Eric Mc

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Monday 13th July 2020
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Tango13 said:
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The B-52A pictured is 'The High and Mighty One' or 'Balls three' the oldest airframe to survive

Next to the pylon on the fuselage there is a stencilled X-15 for each test flight flown with subtle variations depending on the success or not of each test flight.
NASA had two early B-52s that were used as drop ships, 52-003 and 52-008. 003 was an NB-52A and 008 was a B-52B.

The two aircraft were originally designed to act as drop ships for the X-15 programme but they went on to be used as drop ships for the various lifting body test aircraft that were experimented with up until 1975. They continued in various roles until being retired in 2004.

Fastdruid

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152 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Tango13 said:
yes

The B-52A pictured is 'The High and Mighty One' or 'Balls three' the oldest airframe to survive

Next to the pylon on the fuselage there is a stencilled X-15 for each test flight flown with subtle variations depending on the success or not of each test flight.
NASA had two early B-52s that were used as drop ships, 52-003 and 52-008. 003 was an NB-52A and 008 was a B-52B.
I hate to be picky, particularly as I'm sure you know loads more than me but I don't think that is entirely correct.

52-0003 (tail number 003) was a B-52A converted and re-designated NB-52A and 52-0008 (tail number 008) was a B-52B converted and re-designated NB-52B.

Sources:
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/X-Press/5...
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/history/features/X-15_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balls_8

....although the notes on the last one does seem to suggest there is a question over if it should be 52-0008 or 52-008. I'm however siding with NASA on this one. wink

Eric Mc

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265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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I can be even pickier. The B-52B started life as an RB-52B smile

What is interesting is that both of these B-52s were very early off the production line and were used for such a long time. When they were eventually retired they still had very little in the way of airframe hours on them as they had spent virtually all their flying lives with NASA.

I've always had a soft spot for the early B-52s, with their smokey engines and tall tail fins.

NASA did also acquire a later B-52H but it was handed back to the Air Force when it was realised they had no programmes that would actually make use of it.



The last project for the early B-52s was as a drop ship for the Pegasus launcher.



The Pegasus programme continued with a Lockheed Tristar as a drop aircraft -







BrettMRC

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160 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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That looks awesome in the white/black scheme - reminds me of the V bombers!

Eric Mc

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265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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I think the stripe is actually dark blue (in line with NASA's house colours).

I liked the all metal 003 and 008 which also, at various times, carried large areas of dayglo orange or bright red.




Dr Jekyll

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261 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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BrettMRC said:
That looks awesome in the white/black scheme - reminds me of the V bombers!
Little known fact. The cockpit of the B52 was changed to an airliner style flight deck rather than a tandem fighter style design after General Le May examined a V bomber, specifically a Valiant.

Eric Mc

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265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Original XB-52 -


Baron Greenback

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150 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Dr Jekyll said:
BrettMRC said:
That looks awesome in the white/black scheme - reminds me of the V bombers!
Little known fact. The cockpit of the B52 was changed to an airliner style flight deck rather than a tandem fighter style design after General Le May examined a V bomber, specifically a Valiant.
Avro Vulcan bombers the best looking bombers but I do like the Handley Page Victor.

Dont like rolls

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54 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Baron Greenback said:
Avro Vulcan bombers the best looking bombers but I do like the Handley Page Victor.


Baron Greenback

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150 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Would of loved to be a spy on the wall in the Squadron Leader room after the unprepared barrel roll at the Farnborough Airshow telling off the pilot. Best PR they could of done!

Eric Mc

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265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Baron Greenback said:
Would of loved to be a spy on the wall in the Squadron Leader room after the unprepared barrel roll at the Farnborough Airshow telling off the pilot. Best PR they could of done!
Could HAVE done

No Squadron Leader's office involved I'm afraid as the pilot who conducted the manoeuver was Roland Falk, who was the chief test pilot at Avro - therefore a civilian and answerable to his employer (and the Air Show Committee perhaps).

For those who have never seen it -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPuTgcrA2Zs

If he had known what was to befall that very same aircraft he may not have been so brave -




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn3FXjRmB8



eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Eric Mc said:
The Pegasus programme continued with a Lockheed Tristar as a drop aircraft -

And still flying to this day, being the last flying Tristar nearly 30 years after it's conversion.

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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The demand for Pegasus (which was never great) seems to have fizzled so I don't think we will see that Tristar flying much (if ever) in the future.

Steve_D

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258 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Eric Mc said:
................If he had known what was to befall that very same aircraft he may not have been so brave -

I don't remember that.
What was the failure mode?

Steve

Fastdruid

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152 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Steve_D said:
Eric Mc said:
................If he had known what was to befall that very same aircraft he may not have been so brave -

I don't remember that.
What was the failure mode?
Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Syerston_Avro_V...

Dr Jekyll

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261 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Fastdruid said:
Steve_D said:
Eric Mc said:
................If he had known what was to befall that very same aircraft he may not have been so brave -

I don't remember that.
What was the failure mode?
Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Syerston_Avro_V...
Did see a suggestion years ago that while in the care of Rolls Royce someone had tried to loop it and this might have been a factor.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Did that lead to the change in wing shape?



Actually seems like it was to reduce some high speed buffet and undesirable nose down pitching.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Avro_Vulcan



Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 14th July 13:45

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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The wing shape changes had already been enacted before the accident to the prototype.

mko9

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212 months

Tuesday 14th July 2020
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Fastdruid said:
....although the notes on the last one does seem to suggest there is a question over if it should be 52-0008 or 52-008. I'm however siding with NASA on this one. wink
I can't speak to the a/c numbering back in the day, but as you can see on the H-model pic Eric mc posted, by the "modern" standards it should be 2-008. All the H-models were bought with the 1960 and 1961 defense budget, so they are all 60 and 61 tail numbers, then three digits. "balls xx" or "ten xx" to the maintainers and crew.

Awesome pic of the B-52H in NASA colors. I have never seen that before.

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