Burgers & fries prices
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Granfondo said:
C70R said:
ambuletz said:
C70R said:
Do you really want/need me to tell you about the quality of meat you get at Wetherspoons?
if you're in a wetherspoons you're not in there for quality. at £7 having your free pint of guiness with it is pretty much half the cost of the meal. the 'gourmet' burger meal being a firm favourite.Driver101 said:
C70R said:
Burwood said:
C70R said:
Driver101 said:
battered said:
These points have it. If burgers are such a road to riches, open a shop, then come back here and tell us how it funds your Ferrari at 3k a month.
As to suites at 35k a night, who cares? If they want £1000 cocktails and 5 crisps for £50, more fool them. It employs people, including the woman combing the carpet. Plenty here employ a cleaner when the lazy bds could do it themselves, what's the difference?
If it was so hard to make profit on a burger bar, why is there an explosion of them all over the place? I can only think that so many people are opening burger businesses as they realise the money to be made?As to suites at 35k a night, who cares? If they want £1000 cocktails and 5 crisps for £50, more fool them. It employs people, including the woman combing the carpet. Plenty here employ a cleaner when the lazy bds could do it themselves, what's the difference?
Boozy Cow give their profits away to charity. They've managed to afford to give away nearly £500,000 in the last two years from two restaurants.
They only started a couple of years ago and had the additional expense of moving one of their two restaurants to bigger premises and have now opened a further two restaurants.
The owner predicts that the charitable donations will exceed £1m per year.
So what is he doing do much better than all the other burger bars that he can afford to pay out significant amounts of money whilst funding his lavish lifestyle?
If it is 6 restaurants, given the price of commercial property in Scotland (they have restaurants in Dundee and Stirling FFS), it's hardly shocking that they might be able to make £40k clear profit on a site that's open 360+ days a year. Their cheeseburger costs the same £8.50 as Byron is charging at their site in Soho.
You don't need me to do the maths, but that's basically £100 profit per (Scottish) site, per day, after costs. That's hardly the kind of money that's going to make anyone rich...
http://www.scotsman.com/giving-back/charities/booz...
This article is from March 2016, and cites 6 locations across the "group" - I'm confused.
https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2016/03/boozy-cow...
Either way, we're talking about £100 a day or £600 a day, on Scottish ground rents and wages, selling food at the same price as London. How much do you think that would translate to in a London-based eatery?
Love the idea that he's also funding his "lavish lifestyle" from the business too. The article you linked said "businessman Garreth Wood, the son of the oil tycoon Sir Ian Wood". Sounds like he's probably donating the equivalent of his salary and bonus - no mean feat in itself - but hardly like he needs to take a wage from the business.
It doesn't say he's selling 6 Boozy Cows, he's selling 6 of his other businesses. They are pubs and clubs.
There is 4 Boozy Cows. Those profits were made off two places as Stirling and Dundee opened later.
You think he's donating all the money he's earning and living off his retired father?
I didn't realise the debate was London v. The rest of the country. Edinburgh and Aberdeen aren't the cheapest of places either.
Having seen the books of high-end burger restaurants (admittedly in London), I can tell you that the profit margins (with decent quality ingredients) isn't close to other high street restaurants.
The Spruce goose said:
a burger meat is usually the left over bits, minced. A high end burger is an oxymoron. if the meat is steak or aged cuts far enough but the principle of burger meat is fatty mince, not a load of pretentious bks.
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. I don't know where your information is from, but that doesn't apply to well-sourced burger meat. An awful lot of time and effort goes into getting the right blend of cuts and meat/fat ratio.Edited by C70R on Monday 1st May 22:26
Byron, Patty & Bun and GBK I think are good. More expensive than the normal fast food chains - but a bigger portion and nicer ingredients.
The place that puzzles me is Shake Shack. £9 for a "double" basic burger which is in reality tiny. Add on to that £3 for fries and £3 for a soft drink - you are looking at £15 for a small burger and chips. If you swap the fizzy drink for a shake or get more topping on your burger, it's the best part of £20.
It seems to me if a place has a strong brand from the US, people get swept up in it, take selfies and queue up with their mates. The quality of the food is almost irrelevant.
Probably the nicest burger I have had was in Goodmans (well known steak chain - I know sacrilege to order a burger there! As I recall the menu price for that was around £15 with a large portion of chips. When you take into account the surroundings, service etc. much better value than some of the trendy places.
The place that puzzles me is Shake Shack. £9 for a "double" basic burger which is in reality tiny. Add on to that £3 for fries and £3 for a soft drink - you are looking at £15 for a small burger and chips. If you swap the fizzy drink for a shake or get more topping on your burger, it's the best part of £20.
It seems to me if a place has a strong brand from the US, people get swept up in it, take selfies and queue up with their mates. The quality of the food is almost irrelevant.
Probably the nicest burger I have had was in Goodmans (well known steak chain - I know sacrilege to order a burger there! As I recall the menu price for that was around £15 with a large portion of chips. When you take into account the surroundings, service etc. much better value than some of the trendy places.
Edited by hungry_hog on Monday 1st May 22:49
I have tried Shake Shack in Canary Wharf a few times as it is right next to the office. They are not bad but not a great deal of flavour to the burgers, at least they are hot though unlike Byron Burger. Shakes are nice though. I have placed myself on a ban though, weight has crept above 14 stone.....
The Spruce goose said:
a burger meat is usually the left over bits, minced. A high end burger is an oxymoron. if the meat is steak or aged cuts far enough but the principle of burger meat is fatty mince, not a load of pretentious bks.
Yeah, the harvester wither spoons variant maybe but the ones I eat are primo. I make my own regularly also. Aged rib in the mix. No st in my burgers Couple of Burger King franchises that I use, (far too much actually, I love the whopper), are closing and have only been open a year! That's brand new buildings as well owned by the same franchise I believe. Really small drive throughs but someone must have got there fingers burnt. Burger King never seems busy enough I'm sure just the busy ones i.e. Motorway services will carry on.
markcoznottz said:
Couple of Burger King franchises that I use, (far too much actually, I love the whopper), are closing and have only been open a year! That's brand new buildings as well owned by the same franchise I believe. Really small drive throughs but someone must have got there fingers burnt. Burger King never seems busy enough I'm sure just the busy ones i.e. Motorway services will carry on.
I noticed about 8-9 years go loads of BKs seemed to close around london. which sucked as I loved their 99p burgers, they were much tastier then McDs or KFC and used sliced vegetables instead of tiny mouse-sized diced pieces of onion.
Frybywire said:
ambuletz said:
I noticed about 8-9 years go loads of BKs seemed to close around london.
ambuletz said:
yup, I was at uni there and used to go there loads, it was the perfect location and it always seemed fairly busy too. yet now it's a 2nd HSBC!
That's what I can't understand. There are lots of bank branches closing down everywhere, but HSBC choose to open a second branch right opposite the first one in a building that was presumably too expensive for BK to make work.kingston12 said:
Frybywire said:
Yeah large one in Kingston closed around that time, and if that branch couldn't survive with that footfall, I fear they may be Buggered King.
The problem is that large footfall usually equals much larger rent so it still might be difficult to make it pay.Does anyone still eat at BK? It's not that much different to McDs and to be honest most BKs that ive been in always look slightly 'greasy'? Tired? Compared to slick McDs.
Wendy's couldn't make the UK work and they had great burgers. Average people seem to default to McDs for burgers it seems.
Wendy's couldn't make the UK work and they had great burgers. Average people seem to default to McDs for burgers it seems.
[quote=Sa Calobra]Does anyone still eat at BK? It's not that much different to McDs and to be honest most BKs that ive been in always look slightly 'greasy'? Tired? Compared to slick McDs.
Wendy's couldn't make the UK work and they had great burgers. Average people seem to default to McDs for burgers it seems. [/quot
maybe once a month. Its ok.... aint going to die etc . I prefer this than 5 guys
Wendy's couldn't make the UK work and they had great burgers. Average people seem to default to McDs for burgers it seems. [/quot
maybe once a month. Its ok.... aint going to die etc . I prefer this than 5 guys
One of my favourite burger establishments is the Original Patty Men" in Birmingham
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g1...
Not the cheapest but certainly one of the best
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g1...
Not the cheapest but certainly one of the best
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