RE: Porsche 914: Spotted

RE: Porsche 914: Spotted

Monday 23rd October 2017

Porsche 914: Spotted

Mark finds a perfect way of keeping up with the Joneses with this 914/4



Having lived in Esher for many years, I'm familiar with the concept of keeping up with the Joneses. It explains why, when acquaintances there ask me which car might suit them, and I mention the name Skoda, they either wrinkle their noses or rush off to vomit.

They're not the only ones led astray by a label, of course. Quite a few of those people either drive, or would aspire to drive, Porsches, and, such is the high regard for which the firm's products are now held, they're willing to drive almost anything that wears the badge - how else to explain the popularity of those early Cayennes?


It was always like that, alas. Some befuddled thinking and some internal squabbling led to mass confusion in the marketing of the VW-Porsche 914, at its launch in 1969 a most meritorious and refreshing car. A mid-engined, targa-topped and wonderfully low-slung two-seater (it is no taller than a packet of crisps), here was a rigid roadster with agile handling and some features, notably the fuel injection, fully independent suspension, four-wheel disc brakes and five-speed gearbox, that were years ahead of their time.

Unfortunately, some thought it tainted by its associations with the lowly VW badge, in those days a firm known more for the old Beetle than for Golf GTIs and such. The spectre of the 911 hung over the 914, too, immensely popular even then despite its erratic behaviour, this being before it became the triumph of evolution over design it now is.


For whatever reason, the 914 didn't enjoy the evolution it deserved, and as a result its history was short. The original 1.7-litre flat-four VW-engined one was rather slow, in fairness, and testers and owners initially found the gearchange irksome. The one to have was the 914/6, which had the flat-six 108hp 2.0-litre carbureted Porsche engine, was generally faster and felt much nicer in all directions, but alas was doomed to be sold at too high a price.

This one, up for a rather overly ambitious £24,995, is a 1971 VW-engined car, imported from the US of A. It appears in good condition, if a little too white, and with a fair amount of history behind it. We think there should be scope for negotiation on that price, although the Porsche-engined cars can easily make twice as much.

Oh, and if you are put off by the VW-Porsche bit, can I suggest you just tell your friends it's a very early Boxster?

Mark Pearson


PORSCHE 914/4
Engine
: 1,679cc, flat-four
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 80@4,900rpm
Torque (lb ft): 98@2,700rpm
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1971
Recorded mileage: 55,000 miles
Yours for: £24,995

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SmartVenom

Original Poster:

462 posts

169 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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I reckon that would look quite good in the same shade of white all over!

pilotdan

39 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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The cost of keeping these on the road - think 'straight through' rust and classic Porsche parts prices - way outstrips the fun of driving one.

Even if the engine is an air cooled flat 4 from a VW transporter.

Many have been re-powered with 3.0 SC engines, which could be a lot of fun but, again, the running costs have sky rocketed in recent years on the back of the early cars prices.


Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Like a little Dinky car. So bad, it's good.

Plinth

713 posts

88 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Yipper said:
Like a little Dinky car. So bad, it's good.

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Love classic Porsches but these are absolute mingers frown

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Always interested in those - along with almost any other midengine sportscar,
  • All originally built left hand drive so very rare in UK
  • I'd prefer a 6-pot but only a small number were built, mainly due to high price
http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/porsche/91...

Uncle John

4,284 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Tuvra said:
Love classic Porsches but these are absolute mingers frown
Agreed, they are somewhat challenging in the looks department. Like a Fiat X19's special brother.

Not the sort of car you glance back at after parking it.

Paddy78

208 posts

146 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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There's a yellow one of these that lives near my gym in Leeds. I've always liked the look of it, but it does just sound like a Beetle / Camper Van... hardly a shock though given the engine, but it isn't an appealing noise for what should be a cool little sports car.

The least desirable 2 door Porsche? I can't personally think of one I covert less, but I do like all things Pork, so it's in difficult company.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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This'll be going toa collector. To drive, you'd just save a tonne of money and grab an X1/9

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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I always liked the 914... but not at that money!

Wuzzle

84 posts

78 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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80 bhp.

No thanks.


Rob996

84 posts

102 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Rumour has it that the Scubby flat 4 turbo goes quite well in it.

CedricN

820 posts

145 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Would love one in my garage and do a club sport build, of course keeping 4c cyl but an aftermarket vw 2.2l flat four. To bad they are getting to expensive..

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

216 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Five feet eight and you're too tall.

Joehow

589 posts

115 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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914s are brilliant. That particular car though has been up for sale for years!!

Trophy-GTA

101 posts

98 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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No thanks. Looks like a dinghy.

Plate spinner

17,696 posts

200 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Joehow said:
914s are brilliant. That particular car though has been up for sale for years!!
Yup, pretty sure I've seen it knocking around for ages now.

sad61t

1,100 posts

210 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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I've always thought the Fiat X19 was a better interpretation of this shape.
Probably tricky to find a good example these days, but with 25000 burning a hole in my pocket, I'd be more inclined to go for this (very not white) example with 170 bhp from a Lancia 2-litre.


Edited by sad61t on Tuesday 24th October 10:15

Johnny5hoods

511 posts

119 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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I've always really liked the 914's overall concept. Physically very small, and low, especially, it was the quintessential cheeky, chuckable little sports car. And Porsche were right to collaborate with VW on parts. The mistake they made was to give it a Porsche badge and charge house money for it. 80 hp at 4900 rpm(!) from 1700cc, and porshe prices? No wonder it didn't sell.

What they should have done was badge it as a VW, give it a 2200 cc VW flat four from the start, and mass produce it in VW's factory, bringing costs right down. Oh, and they should have rust proofed it.

Porsche should launch a sub brand, and design a genuinely tiny, lightweight, flickable little fun sports coupe/convertible. A cheap, simple design, it would be front engined, RWD, very short, very narrow, 1000kg or less, and enough grunt to make it moderately quick only, with very low manual gearing. Grin factor ten on the public roads at speeds you can tell a policeman about, not an inaccessible track day warrior. As I think I said in another post somewhere on here, today's Boxster/Cayman shares similarities with the 911's platform, and as such is actually very long. A GT86 is shorter, despite having four useable seats, and an Elise is MUCH shorter. There's a gap in the market here Porsche, jump in.

cidered77

1,626 posts

197 months

Tuesday 24th October 2017
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Always loved the look of these - think they look great, and much nicer than an X1/9 (always thought the wheelbase a little off on those).

Looked into them earlier in the year after crawling all over one at the Silverstone Classic. Conclusion was as repeated a lot in this thread already: "affordable" 914s are usually with the VW engine, and 80bhp is just doesn't cut it as something you can occasionally drive and enjoy - plus running costs high.

914/6s look much more interesting... but much much more expensive.