Toshiba battery 6 minute charge 200 mile range soon...

[Pesty]

Can't see this in here yet,

Looks very promising

TNO anodes are claimed to double the energy capacity of Toshiba’s current offerings. Initial testing has revealed the new cells maintain “over 90 percent” of their capacity after 5000 cycles with the ability to be rapidly charged, even in cooler temperatures as cool as 14 degrees Fahrenheit (where the charge time increases slightly, to 10 minutes). Perhaps most important is that Toshiba promises that these lithium-ion cells with the TNO anode will be available in 2019.


https://blog.caranddriver.com/toshiba-on-the-cusp-...

[bearman68]

Well let's hope the engineers are better than the technically inaccurate article writer

[Mr2Mike]

It doesn't seem to mention where you will find a network of chargers with the power capacity needed to charge a battery of double the capacity, five times faster, i.e. ten times the power of a Tesla supercharger.

[TooMany2cvs]

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

[knitware]

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

Yawn, I think only a real thicko wouldn't know that...

[Yipper]

Every few years someone makes these ridiculous "super battery" announcements. They are just publicity-seeking nonsense.

[TooMany2cvs]

knitware said:

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

Yawn, I think only a real thicko wouldn't know that...

Yet you completely missed the point, in large part by snipping the final sentence.

So let me be less cryptic... "It's brochureware bks, that is physically impossible here in the real world, where laws of physics apply"

[Pesty]

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

A thick one?

Yes getting all that power in there in 6 minutes is going to be hard but even so sounds very promising, maybe that's the minimum who says you have to push it that fast?

200 miles in 20 minutes

The life cycle of the battery is also very good news.

[Ilovejapcrap]

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photos-overloaded-extension-cord-multiple-european-plugs-image40222348

[Mr2Mike]

TooMany2cvs said:

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

Inductive charging of course, it's the future. 200 meter exclusion zone for anyone with metal implants or pacemakers.

[TooMany2cvs]

Pesty said:

Yes getting all that power in there in 6 minutes is going to be hard but even so sounds very promising, maybe that's the minimum who says you have to push it that fast?

200 miles in 20 minutes

Only 230A @ 415v, then.

Times how many charge points on the forecourt?

[spookly]

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

I'd imagine it'd have to be more like a couple of solid copper bars, rather than an actual cable. Anything else would straight up melt, or require 50 odd cables.

[TooMany2cvs]

spookly said:

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

I'd imagine it'd have to be more like a couple of solid copper bars, rather than an actual cable. Anything else would straight up melt, or require 50 odd cables.

Obviously, Joe Public wouldn't be allowed to handle the kit - it'd need to be specially trained staff...

"Fill 'er up, guv?"

[The Wookie]

TooMany2cvs said:

Only 230A @ 415v, then.

Times how many charge points on the forecourt?

https://www.bstpowergenerators.com/pages/1-000-amp...

A few of these in service station forecourts running off the tanks will do the job when fast charge EV’s become prevalent.........

Edited by The Wookie on Monday 23 October 22:19

[Pesty]

TooMany2cvs said:

Only 230A @ 415v, then.

Times how many charge points on the forecourt?

Perhaps Im Being stupid here and Im Sure you will tell me if I am but who says you need only one charging point on the car and to charge all the cells in parallel ?

Perhaps you can decouple them and charge four banks in 20 minutes with four cables with fewer amps then reconnect the cables in the car?

Yes even If this is bullst and yes there are new battery stories every few months it sounds at least plausible and perhaps charging isn't insurmountable.

Forget 6 minutes, 200 miles for a two hour charge would be fine with me and even make it viable for my current use

[J4CKO]

GCSE physics based scepticism aside, it is good to hear advancements seemingly being made in battery tech, I do believe, being a massive Father Dougal style optimist that it will get there, not sure where is but it must be somewhere around the point where owning an EV isnt harder and more expensive than owning an IC car, for the bulk of drivers.

[HannsG]

I saw a Tesla on a charge point today.

I walked past thinking... What's the fking point?

Gimmick at best. Charging my work phone is a pain in the arse. God knows where you electric driving muppets find the time to wait for a mode of transport to charge up.

200 mile range? Oh yeah baby... Lol. Do you even Venture out of your back yard? Or do you all own a second car fueled by satans fuel for long haul trips?

Anyone heard of Petrol or diesel?????

Edited by HannsG on Monday 23 October 22:38

[Ashtray83]

HannsG said:

I saw a Tesla on a charge point today.

I walked past thinking... What's the fking point?

Gimmick at best. Charging my work phone is a pain in the arse. God knows where you electric driving muppets find the time to wait for a mode of transport to charge up.

200 mile range? Oh yeah baby... Lol. Do you even Venture out of your back yard? Or do you all own a second car fueled by satans fuel for long haul trips?

Anyone heard of Petrol or diesel?????

Edited by HannsG on Monday 23 October 22:38

Kick and scream as much as you like! it's coming like it or not

[Burnzyb]

TooMany2cvs said:

32kWh in six minutes...

Do the maths.
320kW
415v three-phase, that's 770A.

What sort of cable are you going to be carrying in the boot for that?

I’d like to know how your maths got you there?

[HannsG]

Ashtray83 said:

Kick and scream as much as you like! it's coming like it or not

I doubt electric transport will be viable in the next 20 years. Especially in this country...