So have Cod prices gone up

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tescorank

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1,985 posts

230 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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So when in a Chinese chippy today and all the fish have reduced in size as he said cold has gone up to £15 a kilo so I ended up with this biscuit size specimen for £4 anybody know the whole size price.


Zarco

17,705 posts

208 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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So I think all food prices have gone up this year.

So I blame Brexit/Covid.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,091 posts

179 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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So do I.
So what are we going to do about it?

BobsPigeon

749 posts

38 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Sounds like a London thing, but yes even in Northern fishing towns getting a chippy tea for under £6.50 is getting harder.

Cod has always been more expensive and less tasty than haddock though and most of what we eat deep fried in batter is either haddock, pollock or whiting these days not cod.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,091 posts

179 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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BobsPigeon said:
Sounds like a London thing, but yes even in Northern fishing towns getting a chippy tea for under £6.50 is getting harder.

Cod has always been more expensive and less tasty than haddock though and most of what we eat deep fried in batter is either haddock, pollock or whiting these days not cod.
So cynical.
nuts

21TonyK

11,494 posts

208 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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All seafood is starting to increase as exports reduce. Locally cod loin is still the same price (£18kg) but largely unavailable as what is landed is sold further afield at higher prices.


greygoose

8,225 posts

194 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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21TonyK said:
All seafood is starting to increase as exports reduce. Locally cod loin is still the same price (£18kg) but largely unavailable as what is landed is sold further afield at higher prices.
If exports are reducing shouldn’t the price be going down?

MrJuice

3,300 posts

155 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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I was at BIllingsgate the other week and there were absolutely no seabass fillets in the market. Apparently the restaurant trade cannot get enough of it since reopening.

Salmon fillets were still the usual price of £10-13/kg. I can't remember the price of cod. I didn't buy any but there was plenty there

sherman

13,071 posts

214 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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The haddock we got delivered today was only 140-160g fillets our usual spec is 190-205g. It happens around this time of year every year. We are part of greene king so its not as if our account doesnt have buying power.

I wonder if its down to mating cycles or something?
Only catching the small fish as the big ones are all off making babies in the protected no fish zones?

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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greygoose said:
21TonyK said:
All seafood is starting to increase as exports reduce. Locally cod loin is still the same price (£18kg) but largely unavailable as what is landed is sold further afield at higher prices.
If exports are reducing shouldn’t the price be going down?
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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I live in France and on a recent trip struggled to believe just how cheap food is in the UK.

In Aldi you can buy two pieces of Cod Loin for £3:75, IIRC. I looked at something similar here yesterday and the cost was €7:45..

Anything from a loaf of bread to a pack of 3-peppers carries similar differentials.

Bluequay

1,963 posts

217 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Evoluzione said:
greygoose said:
21TonyK said:
All seafood is starting to increase as exports reduce. Locally cod loin is still the same price (£18kg) but largely unavailable as what is landed is sold further afield at higher prices.
If exports are reducing shouldn’t the price be going down?
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It they pursue that path then then the domestic market will also shrink putting them in a death spiral

Desiderata

2,329 posts

53 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.

Adenauer

18,564 posts

235 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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So, our prices for Cod seem to have dropped recently over here in Germany.

So, I can't complain, well, other than the fact that it's a shame that the so theme was largely ignored by all but a few.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.
It does work like that, it's the same in every industry. It's economics at it's most basic.

Desiderata

2,329 posts

53 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Evoluzione said:
Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.
It does work like that, it's the same in every industry. It's economics at it's most basic.
No it doesn't, I've been a fisherman, and when you come in to port with a hold full of fish (or not), you have absolutely no say in how much your catch will sell for, it's all down to the market. It doesn't matter if the fish were jumping into your hold the minute you untied at the pier or if you've been on a two week trip through hell and back for a handful of tiddlers, what catching them has cost you has absolutely no bearing on the price you get.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Evoluzione said:
Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.
It does work like that, it's the same in every industry. It's economics at it's most basic.
I think Desiderata is correct...

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.
It does work like that, it's the same in every industry. It's economics at it's most basic.
No it doesn't, I've been a fisherman, and when you come in to port with a hold full of fish (or not), you have absolutely no say in how much your catch will sell for, it's all down to the market. It doesn't matter if the fish were jumping into your hold the minute you untied at the pier or if you've been on a two week trip through hell and back for a handful of tiddlers, what catching them has cost you has absolutely no bearing on the price you get.
As you say, It is all down to the market. The market has been cut by a massive amount.
If you were bringing back 3 tons and selling 3 tons then everything was working. If you brought in 3 tons now you'd only sell 1 so what are you going to do with the other 2?
That's my point.

Desiderata

2,329 posts

53 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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Evoluzione said:
Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
Desiderata said:
Evoluzione said:
So,no.

As the market gets smaller the price goes up because overheads remain the same, but sales are down.
It doesn't work like that in the fishing industry though. The price is set by the market, not the producer. The only say the fishermen have in it is whether it's worth fishing for or not.
It does work like that, it's the same in every industry. It's economics at it's most basic.
No it doesn't, I've been a fisherman, and when you come in to port with a hold full of fish (or not), you have absolutely no say in how much your catch will sell for, it's all down to the market. It doesn't matter if the fish were jumping into your hold the minute you untied at the pier or if you've been on a two week trip through hell and back for a handful of tiddlers, what catching them has cost you has absolutely no bearing on the price you get.
As you say, It is all down to the market. The market has been cut by a massive amount.
If you were bringing back 3 tons and selling 3 tons then everything was working. If you brought in 3 tons now you'd only sell 1 so what are you going to do with the other 2?
That's my point.
Yes, but you can't take the fish back so instead of getting £3 per kilo or £9000 for your catch, you've got £3000 for your catch, or £1 per kilo. The buyers have bought the fish for £1 per kilo and now have 3 tons to get rid of in a quiet market, so are they going to put the retail price up or down to shift them?

More realistically, when the price got low enough, some would be bought for petfood/fishmeal/fertilizer etc and only the best of the catch would go for human consumption.

Edited by Desiderata on Tuesday 22 June 09:57

mike74

3,687 posts

131 months

Tuesday 22nd June 2021
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rdjohn said:
I live in France and on a recent trip struggled to believe just how cheap food is in the UK.

In Aldi you can buy two pieces of Cod Loin for £3:75, IIRC. I looked at something similar here yesterday and the cost was €7:45..

Anything from a loaf of bread to a pack of 3-peppers carries similar differentials.
Why does that appear to have become the case now?

I remember perhaps 10 years ago various friends and work colleagues visiting or buying property in France and all raving about how much cheaper (and better quality) the food was over there back then.