Why do famous musicians do this?
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GetCarter said:
Bebee said:
W124 said:
They do it because playing the same songs night in, night out drives you insane.
and that's fine, so give us some of our ticket price back!If you pay to see an art exhibition, and don't like the art, do you ask for some of your money back?
If you go to the RSC and don't like their interpretation of Lear, do you ask for some of your money back?
Why would you want some of your money back, just beacause a singer doesn't sing YOUR fave tunes?
Get a grip.
[/rant] ... been there on stage when punters demand something you don't want to play. Often for very good reasons. Bloody annoying.
Edited by GetCarter on Wednesday 27th December 15:52
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W124 said:
They do it because playing the same songs night in, night out drives you insane.
I've toured with bands that play the same set list night after night, to the point of having them laminated, and I've toured with bands that are still arguing about the set list as they hit the stage...As an idea:
This day and age we book online, so why not write the order of set list for the artist while we are at it? They just might be amenable to it.
This would be done by a 'tick the box' polling system, it would be interesting and gives us an idea/clue as to whether your fav track will be played or not, you can then decide if you want to fork out £100/£200.
I've played 'brown eyed girl' more times that Van has, and that's because I got paid for it, its what the punters wants to hear, I hate the song and hate playing it.
This day and age we book online, so why not write the order of set list for the artist while we are at it? They just might be amenable to it.
This would be done by a 'tick the box' polling system, it would be interesting and gives us an idea/clue as to whether your fav track will be played or not, you can then decide if you want to fork out £100/£200.
I've played 'brown eyed girl' more times that Van has, and that's because I got paid for it, its what the punters wants to hear, I hate the song and hate playing it.
Many years ago my friend recounted how one of his friends had gone to see the Red Hot Chilli Peppers and they didn't play Under the bridge - apparently the girl was almost in tears and I suspect it was a downer for the whole crowed as it is one of their main songs.
I went to see the RHCP last year and they didn't play Under the Bridge either and it was a downer but not the end of the world.
The next show they didn't play Under the Bridge, Californication or Otherside - which are 3 of the main songs fans want - I would have been well pissed off had I gone to that show.
I went to see the RHCP last year and they didn't play Under the Bridge either and it was a downer but not the end of the world.
The next show they didn't play Under the Bridge, Californication or Otherside - which are 3 of the main songs fans want - I would have been well pissed off had I gone to that show.
I guess if you want to hear the songs, buy the album, if you want to see some live music, go to the concert; just don't conflate the two.
People moan that live versions have been 'messed about with', i.e. aren't the exact copy of the recorded version; surely that's the point of seeing someone live?
Best thing is to buy a Walkman with some jazzy beat headphones and listen to the album while you watch the band, you can still gain kudos on FB with a locstat post, but don't have to suffer the interminable 'artistic interpretation'/live version....
People moan that live versions have been 'messed about with', i.e. aren't the exact copy of the recorded version; surely that's the point of seeing someone live?
Best thing is to buy a Walkman with some jazzy beat headphones and listen to the album while you watch the band, you can still gain kudos on FB with a locstat post, but don't have to suffer the interminable 'artistic interpretation'/live version....
gazza285 said:
W124 said:
They do it because playing the same songs night in, night out drives you insane.
I've toured with bands that play the same set list night after night, to the point of having them laminated, and I've toured with bands that are still arguing about the set list as they hit the stage...That was a truly great band. Really could have gone somewhere. Sadly, drugs ruined things.
andy_s said:
People moan that live versions have been 'messed about with', i.e. aren't the exact copy of the recorded version; surely that's the point of seeing someone live?
I often find that's a good thing, though I guess it depends on what kind of music you're into. A band I'm into released an album a few years back that was quite widely panned in part because the production and clarity was terrible, final mixes being rushed due to running out of time, that kind of thing. I accept it's quite muddy, but I always listen to their albums and translate in my head what it'll sound like live - faster, more lively, etc. - so I quite liked it.
droopsnoot said:
CanAm said:
I've heard that Van hates it too.
Yes, wasn't there an issue with the songwriting royalties being signed over to someone else, so now he sings it as rarely as he possibly can? I remember something like that from the old BBC4 documentary on "worlds highest earning songs".I guess a lot of people go to see live bands to hear the familiar favourites and for some that's exactly what I'd prefer to hear. For other bands that I'm a bigger fan of, I love hearing less commonly played tracks.
I've seen Iron Maiden seven times since 2003 where they played a greatest hits set at Download. Saw them the following couple of tours and then in 2006 they played their entire new album end to end and then four 'classics' which didn't include Run to the Hills.
I've seen them live another four times since and they haven't played Run to the Hills since (did on one tour which I didn't see) but as a nerd of a fan, I loved hearing their new stuff as I know they won't necessarily play those songs again. Especially some of the 10 minute+ epics from their latest album. That said not everyone sees a band repeatedly so I understand why someone would expect to hear some hits played.
I've seen Iron Maiden seven times since 2003 where they played a greatest hits set at Download. Saw them the following couple of tours and then in 2006 they played their entire new album end to end and then four 'classics' which didn't include Run to the Hills.
I've seen them live another four times since and they haven't played Run to the Hills since (did on one tour which I didn't see) but as a nerd of a fan, I loved hearing their new stuff as I know they won't necessarily play those songs again. Especially some of the 10 minute+ epics from their latest album. That said not everyone sees a band repeatedly so I understand why someone would expect to hear some hits played.
lrdisco said:
I really am not sure why the TALENT can play what they like.
They are being paid to do what the employers want(The public), try it at work just doing what ever you want. It usually ends badly.
Not everyone is a hardcore fan and they do want to hear the hits and highlights.
Just my view.
Do you have the same horrible attitude if you go to see a stand up comedian and he doesn't tell your favourite joke? They are being paid to do what the employers want(The public), try it at work just doing what ever you want. It usually ends badly.
Not everyone is a hardcore fan and they do want to hear the hits and highlights.
Just my view.
Jimboka said:
Saw the Stones a few years back
They omitted to play Gimme Shelter, but played some Motown covers nonsense, mental
Some groups (not many) have such a great back catalogue that you'll never keep all the punters happy all the time. I would expect someone like Rea to play his bigger hits.They omitted to play Gimme Shelter, but played some Motown covers nonsense, mental
The bigger the band's back catalogue the harder the choices get especially when the average gig is only 2 to 2.5 hrs. I think Maiden are fairly smart as they do an album tour, then follow it with a dedicated greatest hits tour. I
Hit singles can be awkward if your an album band you end up with people who are only interested in hearing one song. Case in point Sabbath regretted issuing Paranoid as a single because they gained a group of gig goe'ers who stood around bored and awkward for half the show, got all excited when the band played paranoid then f@@ked off! The band stopped releasing singles for a good few years because of that experience!
Hit singles can be awkward if your an album band you end up with people who are only interested in hearing one song. Case in point Sabbath regretted issuing Paranoid as a single because they gained a group of gig goe'ers who stood around bored and awkward for half the show, got all excited when the band played paranoid then f@@ked off! The band stopped releasing singles for a good few years because of that experience!
Too Drunk to Funk said:
I would expect someone like Rea to play his bigger hits.
Why? They're nowhere near representative of what he's recorded for the last 20-odd years. Anyone familiar with his output would know what to expect. If you want to hear his 'hits', listen to one of his seven 'Best Of...' albums.AdeTuono said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
I would expect someone like Rea to play his bigger hits.
Why? They're nowhere near representative of what he's recorded for the last 20-odd years. Anyone familiar with his output would know what to expect. If you want to hear his 'hits', listen to one of his seven 'Best Of...' albums.Ahonen said:
lrdisco said:
I really am not sure why the TALENT can play what they like.
They are being paid to do what the employers want(The public), try it at work just doing what ever you want. It usually ends badly.
Not everyone is a hardcore fan and they do want to hear the hits and highlights.
Just my view.
Do you have the same horrible attitude if you go to see a stand up comedian and he doesn't tell your favourite joke? They are being paid to do what the employers want(The public), try it at work just doing what ever you want. It usually ends badly.
Not everyone is a hardcore fan and they do want to hear the hits and highlights.
Just my view.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
AdeTuono said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
I would expect someone like Rea to play his bigger hits.
Why? They're nowhere near representative of what he's recorded for the last 20-odd years. Anyone familiar with his output would know what to expect. If you want to hear his 'hits', listen to one of his seven 'Best Of...' albums.Rea has released a huge amount of roots-type blues over the last two decades. It's those that his current audience know him for. I know I'd be pissed off if I went to see him live and he trotted out Fool If You Think It's Over (40 years old, fact-fans). Lighten up, open your ears and move on.
AdeTuono said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
AdeTuono said:
Too Drunk to Funk said:
I would expect someone like Rea to play his bigger hits.
Why? They're nowhere near representative of what he's recorded for the last 20-odd years. Anyone familiar with his output would know what to expect. If you want to hear his 'hits', listen to one of his seven 'Best Of...' albums.Rea has released a huge amount of roots-type blues over the last two decades. It's those that his current audience know him for. I know I'd be pissed off if I went to see him live and he trotted out Fool If You Think It's Over (40 years old, fact-fans). Lighten up, open your ears and move on.
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