Genesis - the Peter Gabriel era
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Seen genesis a couple of times post Gabriel era, Wembley and earls court. Earls court was brilliant, about 10 rows from the front in the centre, the best seats I ever had at a concert and a fantastic show.
I saw Peter Gabriel on the So tour, also at earls court and on the one night Kate Bush came on to duet on don't give up.
I do like the Gabriel era stuff better though.
I saw Peter Gabriel on the So tour, also at earls court and on the one night Kate Bush came on to duet on don't give up.
I do like the Gabriel era stuff better though.
anonymous said:
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Peter Gabriel was nothing if not clever. According to Phil Collins, when PG started wearing dresses, foxes heads and doing the pre song rambling, they were noticed and written a lot about by NME, Rolling Stone etc. They then went from being a £35 a night band to £350 and quickly built up a massive cult following.The Genesis name was thought up by Jonathan King.
Not that it adds much to the general discussion here, but wherever your loyalties lie, it is quite staggering when you consider what the members of Genesis have achieved together and separately. I cannot think valid comparison. Look at these highlights, all from just one band:
Garbriel Genesis: unique, pioneering progressive rock band, greatly popularising the genre and introducing hitherto unseen stage theatrics.
Collins Genesis: world-conquering evolution of the above, combining maturing tastes with massively broadened appeal. Highly innovative stage shows (see Vari-Lite).
Peter Gabriel - Solo: sophisticated, polically-aware, conscientious and humorous pop music, and globally successful to boot. Innovative approach to presentation and music videos. WOMAD.
Phil Collins - Solo: music borne out of heartfelt emotion, that struck a cord with millions and propelled him to success bettered only by a handful of peers. It's not just mushy stuff though. He is probably the most famous drummer alive (bar Ringo), and is revered by players with good reason. In The Air Tonight, Live Aid twice in one day and Oscars for Disney. Love him or not, he is a phenomenon.
Mike and the Mechanics: an outlet for Mike Rutherford, who brilliantly combined the talents of singers Paul Young and Paul Carrack, along with writing input from B A Robertson to achieve a string of hits throughout the 80s and 90s.
Steve Hacket - Solo: ex-Genesis guitarist, who built up a cult-like fanbase and has successfully toured solo for decades since. Released superb Genesis retrospective and collaboration albums.
Hugh Padgham - prolific producer who, during his stint with Genesis and together with Collins and Gabriel, pioneered the much copied gated drum sound, influencing fellow musicians for much of the 80s.
Garbriel Genesis: unique, pioneering progressive rock band, greatly popularising the genre and introducing hitherto unseen stage theatrics.
Collins Genesis: world-conquering evolution of the above, combining maturing tastes with massively broadened appeal. Highly innovative stage shows (see Vari-Lite).
Peter Gabriel - Solo: sophisticated, polically-aware, conscientious and humorous pop music, and globally successful to boot. Innovative approach to presentation and music videos. WOMAD.
Phil Collins - Solo: music borne out of heartfelt emotion, that struck a cord with millions and propelled him to success bettered only by a handful of peers. It's not just mushy stuff though. He is probably the most famous drummer alive (bar Ringo), and is revered by players with good reason. In The Air Tonight, Live Aid twice in one day and Oscars for Disney. Love him or not, he is a phenomenon.
Mike and the Mechanics: an outlet for Mike Rutherford, who brilliantly combined the talents of singers Paul Young and Paul Carrack, along with writing input from B A Robertson to achieve a string of hits throughout the 80s and 90s.
Steve Hacket - Solo: ex-Genesis guitarist, who built up a cult-like fanbase and has successfully toured solo for decades since. Released superb Genesis retrospective and collaboration albums.
Hugh Padgham - prolific producer who, during his stint with Genesis and together with Collins and Gabriel, pioneered the much copied gated drum sound, influencing fellow musicians for much of the 80s.
astrsxi77 said:
Hugh Padgham - prolific producer who, during his stint with Genesis and together with Collins and Gabriel, pioneered the much copied gated drum sound, influencing fellow musicians for much of the 80s.
Gated drum, Hugh Padgham, Phil Collins makes me think of the Townhouse on Goldhawk Rd.astrsxi77 said:
Not that it adds much to the general discussion here, but wherever your loyalties lie, it is quite staggering when you consider what the members of Genesis have achieved together and separately. I cannot think valid comparison. Look at these highlights, all from just one band:
Garbriel Genesis: unique, pioneering progressive rock band, greatly popularising the genre and introducing hitherto unseen stage theatrics.
Collins Genesis: world-conquering evolution of the above, combining maturing tastes with massively broadened appeal. Highly innovative stage shows (see Vari-Lite).
Peter Gabriel - Solo: sophisticated, polically-aware, conscientious and humorous pop music, and globally successful to boot. Innovative approach to presentation and music videos. WOMAD.
Phil Collins - Solo: music borne out of heartfelt emotion, that struck a cord with millions and propelled him to success bettered only by a handful of peers. It's not just mushy stuff though. He is probably the most famous drummer alive (bar Ringo), and is revered by players with good reason. In The Air Tonight, Live Aid twice in one day and Oscars for Disney. Love him or not, he is a phenomenon.
Mike and the Mechanics: an outlet for Mike Rutherford, who brilliantly combined the talents of singers Paul Young and Paul Carrack, along with writing input from B A Robertson to achieve a string of hits throughout the 80s and 90s.
Steve Hacket - Solo: ex-Genesis guitarist, who built up a cult-like fanbase and has successfully toured solo for decades since. Released superb Genesis retrospective and collaboration albums.
Hugh Padgham - prolific producer who, during his stint with Genesis and together with Collins and Gabriel, pioneered the much copied gated drum sound, influencing fellow musicians for much of the 80s.
Nicely put. You wonder if Bowie was influenced at all by Peter Gabriel - who was certainly an original.Garbriel Genesis: unique, pioneering progressive rock band, greatly popularising the genre and introducing hitherto unseen stage theatrics.
Collins Genesis: world-conquering evolution of the above, combining maturing tastes with massively broadened appeal. Highly innovative stage shows (see Vari-Lite).
Peter Gabriel - Solo: sophisticated, polically-aware, conscientious and humorous pop music, and globally successful to boot. Innovative approach to presentation and music videos. WOMAD.
Phil Collins - Solo: music borne out of heartfelt emotion, that struck a cord with millions and propelled him to success bettered only by a handful of peers. It's not just mushy stuff though. He is probably the most famous drummer alive (bar Ringo), and is revered by players with good reason. In The Air Tonight, Live Aid twice in one day and Oscars for Disney. Love him or not, he is a phenomenon.
Mike and the Mechanics: an outlet for Mike Rutherford, who brilliantly combined the talents of singers Paul Young and Paul Carrack, along with writing input from B A Robertson to achieve a string of hits throughout the 80s and 90s.
Steve Hacket - Solo: ex-Genesis guitarist, who built up a cult-like fanbase and has successfully toured solo for decades since. Released superb Genesis retrospective and collaboration albums.
Hugh Padgham - prolific producer who, during his stint with Genesis and together with Collins and Gabriel, pioneered the much copied gated drum sound, influencing fellow musicians for much of the 80s.
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stevejh said:
This is the full Lyceum concert :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZnP6eq9kcM&t=...
Although he is clearly a good guitarist Darryl Stuermer never really filled Steve Hackett's shoes in my opinion.
Although I have all Genesis's albums I really only listen to the seventies ones. From Duke onwards there is the odd track on each album that I enjoy but no real classics like 'Supper's Ready', 'Firth of Fifth', 'Musical Box' or 'Blood on the Rooftops'.
Brilliant! I must admit I love everything up to and including Duke (with the exception of The Lamb) but everything after lacks the breadth of sound and scope. It's interesting that Duke is the band's overall favourite (according to Chapter And Verse, which is you've not got is very much worth a read).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZnP6eq9kcM&t=...
Although he is clearly a good guitarist Darryl Stuermer never really filled Steve Hackett's shoes in my opinion.
Although I have all Genesis's albums I really only listen to the seventies ones. From Duke onwards there is the odd track on each album that I enjoy but no real classics like 'Supper's Ready', 'Firth of Fifth', 'Musical Box' or 'Blood on the Rooftops'.
I would also add The Cinema Show to your list, especially from Seconds Out. Brilliant musicianship all round and they make 7/8 sound so, so easy.
I have the original CDs and the remastered versions, which are, almost to a fault, awful.
I had to watch a couple of You tube clips for the memories to start coming back. I did see Genesis a few times. Foxtrot was the album that started my fandom. Getting tickets for the Rainbow to watch the Selling England by the Pound tour mail order from the back of NME in '74.
All the band were superb, the keyboards especially the mellotron swooping in after the sung intro on the Cinema Show ..take a little trip back from Father Tiresias...
Its difficult to describe, but the way the venue was just overcome with all the melodies mingling, rising and falling. It was damm good.
I preferred that type of prog rock to Yes.
I recall Money by Pink Floyd which was out about the same time also has a tricky tempo 10/8?
Anyway.
Big Gabriel-era Genesis fan here. My dad was into them from the mid-70s and I think it was Selling England that first got me. Played my dad's tape over and over until it stretched. Then Foxtrot, The Lamb (much underrated), Nursery Cryme, Trespass, From Genesis to Revolution, and the couple of Live albums from that era (although IIRC the second (3 sides Live?) was after Gabriel had left.
Never got on so well with Wind & Wuthering and the later ones, although there were some good tracks like Squonk. I liked the mid-80s ones, Abacab & Invisible Top Shed as they were current when I got into them.
Agree about their individual talents (still can't listen to M&TM Living Years without getting a lump in my throat).
Might have to stick one of them on in the car soon. BTW, what was so bad about the remastered albums, I think most of mine are the remastered CDs.
Oh, and "I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I work" I always assumed it was referring to the typical 2 steps forward, 1 back lawnmowing gait....
Never got on so well with Wind & Wuthering and the later ones, although there were some good tracks like Squonk. I liked the mid-80s ones, Abacab & Invisible Top Shed as they were current when I got into them.
Agree about their individual talents (still can't listen to M&TM Living Years without getting a lump in my throat).
Might have to stick one of them on in the car soon. BTW, what was so bad about the remastered albums, I think most of mine are the remastered CDs.
Oh, and "I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I work" I always assumed it was referring to the typical 2 steps forward, 1 back lawnmowing gait....
The remastered cds are grotesquely compressed. In the case of Duke and ... And Then There Were Three efforts have been made to remaster the drum sounds to the more familiar Collins concert tom tom sounds, rather than the original. The mix has also changed. I don’t approve as it is a much more digital type production. Give me analogue every time! Interestingly on his solo albums, Phil Collins always recorded his drums with analogue gear, even if everything was digitally produced.
NiceCupOfTea said:
Big Gabriel-era Genesis fan here. My dad was into them from the mid-70s and I think it was Selling England that first got me. Played my dad's tape over and over until it stretched. Then Foxtrot, The Lamb (much underrated), Nursery Cryme, Trespass, From Genesis to Revolution, and the couple of Live albums from that era (although IIRC the second (3 sides Live?) was after Gabriel had left.
Never got on so well with Wind & Wuthering and the later ones, although there were some good tracks like Squonk. I liked the mid-80s ones, Abacab & Invisible Top Shed as they were current when I got into them.
Agree about their individual talents (still can't listen to M&TM Living Years without getting a lump in my throat).
Might have to stick one of them on in the car soon. BTW, what was so bad about the remastered albums, I think most of mine are the remastered CDs.
Oh, and "I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I work" I always assumed it was referring to the typical 2 steps forward, 1 back lawnmowing gait....
"tell me by the way I *walk*" - I used to think he was singing about being a lawnmower as in the mechanical device, rather than someone who mows lawns. Never got on so well with Wind & Wuthering and the later ones, although there were some good tracks like Squonk. I liked the mid-80s ones, Abacab & Invisible Top Shed as they were current when I got into them.
Agree about their individual talents (still can't listen to M&TM Living Years without getting a lump in my throat).
Might have to stick one of them on in the car soon. BTW, what was so bad about the remastered albums, I think most of mine are the remastered CDs.
Oh, and "I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I work" I always assumed it was referring to the typical 2 steps forward, 1 back lawnmowing gait....
Steve Hackett's version on 'Genesis Revisited' is a hoot.
Northbloke said:
I've just been flicking through old vids of the 70s Gabriel era too. I like a huge variety of music old and new but having just seen 2 Steve Hackett shows on CTTE I think the early Genesis stuff is my absolute favourite.
Gabriel is unsurpassable but Nad Sylvan does a pretty good job to make the tracks hugely enjoyable live today.
Best of all for me is Firth of Frith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwe4r8RrSsY
Just so beautifully written with great piano, flute and guitar solos.
Musical Box and the epic Suppers Ready not far behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsHU_e_x_fM
Duke has some nice tracks but it all started to go a bit wrong after that IMHO.
(My elder brothers also tell me they saw Genesis supporting Lindisfarne)
I desperately wanted to go to six of the best but had to work and couldn't get out of it , a mate went , decided it'd be sensible to jump a wall rather than go with the masses struggling to get out, only problem was it was 5ft this side, 10ft the other side which he didn't realise until he was in mid air then the only way back to his car was through a riverGabriel is unsurpassable but Nad Sylvan does a pretty good job to make the tracks hugely enjoyable live today.
Best of all for me is Firth of Frith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwe4r8RrSsY
Just so beautifully written with great piano, flute and guitar solos.
Musical Box and the epic Suppers Ready not far behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsHU_e_x_fM
Duke has some nice tracks but it all started to go a bit wrong after that IMHO.
Raygun said:
Was anyone else at the Six Of The Best show at Milton Keynes in 82, rained all day, Gabriel came on stage in a coffin,lol, far out man.
Yep, I was there. Nearly got crushed getting out when some railings gave way then found my car had a flat battery and spent the night in my car. Woke up to find just my car in an empty field full of rubbish.(My elder brothers also tell me they saw Genesis supporting Lindisfarne)
Saw Genesis live for the first time at the NEC 79-80 and a number of times up to 2007 at old trafford
The live shows were brilliant but the gabriel era music was always the best received, they lost it a bit in the late 80s , one show they did a medley that included pinball wizard no idea what the f
k that was all about, the crowd wasn't happy The track I love listening to is Horizons , never tire of it
Edited by wack on Tuesday 13th March 20:41
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