Is this good drumming?
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GetCarter said:
She has a future! Needs to calm down and 'pull' the note out rather than punch it in. Kick was a bit wayward, but hey. Great stuff.
I've posted this before, but look how Neal looks so relaxed (and can go on for 4 hours at Ronnie's!).
The big difference of course is that he was reading this and had never heard it before I gave him the dots. If she can do that, she's sorted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g
Witchcraft, that isI've posted this before, but look how Neal looks so relaxed (and can go on for 4 hours at Ronnie's!).
The big difference of course is that he was reading this and had never heard it before I gave him the dots. If she can do that, she's sorted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g
Witchcraft and sorcery
GetCarter said:
She has a future! Needs to calm down and 'pull' the note out rather than punch it in. Kick was a bit wayward, but hey. Great stuff.
I've posted this before, but look how Neal looks so relaxed (and can go on for 4 hours at Ronnie's!).
The big difference of course is that he was reading this and had never heard it before I gave him the dots. If she can do that, she's sorted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g
Not quite my tempo.I've posted this before, but look how Neal looks so relaxed (and can go on for 4 hours at Ronnie's!).
The big difference of course is that he was reading this and had never heard it before I gave him the dots. If she can do that, she's sorted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9JHUyap5g
That's astoundingly good playing.
GetCarter said:
Tom1312 said:
That's astoundingly good playing.
He has a bit of a CV - including Paul McCartney, Ray Charles, Annie Lennox, Joan Armatrading, Ultravox, Gil Evans, Elmer Bernstein... among many others.
ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
Edited by cherryowen on Sunday 7th October 22:55
gmaz said:
Putting aside the reason why you posted that, she's actually really tight - so great drumming there; not too much and nicely done.cherryowen said:
'kin hell
ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
I'm usually writing to a brief, so that kinda' decides major/minor etc. This is going to sound daft, but I just sit at a keyboard (with different sounds.. strings, piano, marimba - whatever) and arse about for a while (recording) until something catches my ear. Then I'll grab that and start to develop it. ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
Edited by cherryowen on Sunday 7th October 22:55
Here's a perfect example. I was playing with the different timings (left and right hand) and wrote the first bar.. as soon as I had the second bar pegged it almost wrote itself. I then just had to get a pianist that was a monster at sight reading to play it! (Al Gavin)
(The brief for this - one of 18 tracks - was anything to do with 'time')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVm-sECpppU
Apologies for the O/T
GetCarter said:
cherryowen said:
'kin hell
ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
I'm usually writing to a brief, so that kinda' decides major/minor etc. This is going to sound daft, but I just sit at a keyboard (with different sounds.. strings, piano, marimba - whatever) and arse about for a while (recording) until something catches my ear. Then I'll grab that and start to develop it. ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
Edited by cherryowen on Sunday 7th October 22:55
Here's a perfect example. I was playing with the different timings (left and right hand) and wrote the first bar.. as soon as I had the second bar pegged it almost wrote itself. I then just had to get a pianist that was a monster at sight reading to play it! (Al Gavin)
(The brief for this - one of 18 tracks - was anything to do with 'time')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVm-sECpppU
Apologies for the O/T
That's clearly a different genre from the drumming piece. Do you have a preference?
So said:
That's clearly a different genre from the drumming piece. Do you have a preference?
I played jazz for years, so it's nice to get my old mates back in the studio, but actually I like writing soppy sad stuff for strings best!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORoqjXcGO0
GetCarter said:
So said:
That's clearly a different genre from the drumming piece. Do you have a preference?
I played jazz for years, so it's nice to get my old mates back in the studio, but actually I like writing soppy sad stuff for strings best!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORoqjXcGO0
GetCarter said:
cherryowen said:
'kin hell
ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
I'm usually writing to a brief, so that kinda' decides major/minor etc. This is going to sound daft, but I just sit at a keyboard (with different sounds.. strings, piano, marimba - whatever) and arse about for a while (recording) until something catches my ear. Then I'll grab that and start to develop it. ETA : Steve, I see you're credited as the composer on that clip of Neal's drumming. May I ask how you approach writing a piece of music? Do you choose a key (say D minor), then decide on what flavour of minor you want (harmonic / natural / melodic) and pick a chordal structure from that? Or would you pick out a melody, and work the key and associated chords around it? I only ask as I've recently been dipping into guitar music theory, and find it fascinating.
Edited by cherryowen on Sunday 7th October 22:55
Here's a perfect example. I was playing with the different timings (left and right hand) and wrote the first bar.. as soon as I had the second bar pegged it almost wrote itself. I then just had to get a pianist that was a monster at sight reading to play it! (Al Gavin)
(The brief for this - one of 18 tracks - was anything to do with 'time')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVm-sECpppU
Apologies for the O/T
It's a very nice piece in the vid, BTW, almost "nocturne" in style. I'm still splashing about figuring out which chords sound best from a given scale (I do like Cmaj / F#dim resolving to Em at the moment; no idea what to do with it).
So said:
GetCarter said:
So said:
That's clearly a different genre from the drumming piece. Do you have a preference?
I played jazz for years, so it's nice to get my old mates back in the studio, but actually I like writing soppy sad stuff for strings best!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORoqjXcGO0
cherryowen said:
So said:
GetCarter said:
So said:
That's clearly a different genre from the drumming piece. Do you have a preference?
I played jazz for years, so it's nice to get my old mates back in the studio, but actually I like writing soppy sad stuff for strings best!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORoqjXcGO0
More Gorecki than VW, I wouldn’t have guessed the pulse was that fast. My arm would fall off conducting at that pace!!
Back to drums and greatness,
https://youtu.be/iupLvcpV3eU
I got to meet him at Ronnie’s earlier in the year.
This is the one I can't stand. Her every expression says, "Look how clever I am."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXGzCfKsLU
It was always drummed into me (see what I did there?) that the job of a musician is not to show the world what a virtuoso you are, but to play something that enhances the song. In other words to make the whole band sound good.
(That's an idea for a whole new thread: prima donnas you've had to put up with in bands. I have to say in all fairness that the majority of the ones I've come across have NOT been drummers!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXGzCfKsLU
It was always drummed into me (see what I did there?) that the job of a musician is not to show the world what a virtuoso you are, but to play something that enhances the song. In other words to make the whole band sound good.
(That's an idea for a whole new thread: prima donnas you've had to put up with in bands. I have to say in all fairness that the majority of the ones I've come across have NOT been drummers!)
Evangelion said:
It was always drummed into me (see what I did there?) that the job of a musician is not to show the world what a virtuoso you are, but to play something that enhances the song. In other words to make the whole band sound good
One of the best examples I know is the late Nick Menza who was Megadeth's skin basher on their most successful albums. Now, Dave Mustaine was a ferocious rhythm guitar player but Nick tied everything together with Dave Ellefson on bass to create the tightest rhythm section in metal at the time. Here's Nick in action (drums only) on one of Megadeth's best tunes:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPV9sVau6T4
'Tying everything together' is a very good description of a drummer's job. I always used to wonder why my early home recordings sounded so crap. The answer of course, is that there were no drums.
Here's an interesting discussion of good and bad drummers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQsKRyihEA
When I posted that on the Shadowmusic Forum, the previous poster refused to watch it, probably because it showed up what he was saying for the load of rubbish it was. (They really don't like the Beatles on the Shadows forum.
Here's an interesting discussion of good and bad drummers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQsKRyihEA
When I posted that on the Shadowmusic Forum, the previous poster refused to watch it, probably because it showed up what he was saying for the load of rubbish it was. (They really don't like the Beatles on the Shadows forum.
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