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DickyC said:
The story I heard was that Abbey Road was considered by the Beatles to be their final album so, instead of taking their time developing ideas into songs, they simply strung together what they had. They had some songs and some ideas, squidge it all together and hey presto! an album.
Some exellent squidging on that album i would say.Abbey Road was a very difficult album to make as there was so much acrimony in the band and Yoko was there
. Even George Harrison who was probably one of the least aggressive people you could meet found himself arguing with the others.
Somebody made reference to Maggie May not being a good song, she was a prostitute on Lime St Liverpool and part of folklore of the city I think they just used it to fill in some dead time in the studio.
. Even George Harrison who was probably one of the least aggressive people you could meet found himself arguing with the others.Somebody made reference to Maggie May not being a good song, she was a prostitute on Lime St Liverpool and part of folklore of the city I think they just used it to fill in some dead time in the studio.
Wacky Racer said:
Has anybody on here actually seen the Beatles live?
The last performance was at Candlestick Park, San Francisco in 1966, (Other than the London Apple roof top concert in January '69)
My best mate emigrated to the bay Area 15 years ago, and I've been out to visit many times and got to know a lot of his US friends, and in a conversation with one of them on one trip, it turned out this guy had been at that last Candlestick Park gig in '66.The last performance was at Candlestick Park, San Francisco in 1966, (Other than the London Apple roof top concert in January '69)
He'd bought a pair of tickets to take this girl from high school that was a huge Beetles fan, as he thought it might be the passport to getting into her knickers :haha:
It didn't turn out the way he hoped however, but he know looks back at the history of being there, although he's still not a Beetles fan, and thought the gig was crap, but he said that was more likely down to the fact you couldn't hear much for the stupid screaming girls (his date for the night being one of them)
Funnily enough, back in the early 80's I worked with a guy that had seem them live on their first UK tour, and said the same thing, thinking they were poor live, and not as good as other bands of the day live (but again, difficult to gauge fully because of the stupid screaming girls)
This guy had seen most of the bands of the day, live in the mid 60's, Stones, Who, Kinks, Animals, Small Faces etc.,etc.
Best live band he said was Small Faces, just ahead of The Who.
I think George Martin's studio work was the biggest influence, just as Sam Phillips influence at Sun Studios a decade earlier started the whole teenage music revolution.
RDMcG said:
Quite liked them in the period but don’t have a single Beatles song on my iPhone which must have over 1000. Think it might be overexposure but their stuff has not aged well for me.
Go on, upload some Beatles songs on you phone. My recommendations: Early, 'She Loves you'. Mid, 'Strawberry Fields Forever'. Late, The 'Medley' from Abbey Road , ( Mean mr. Mustard / Polythene Pam / She Came in Through the Bathroom Window / Golden Slumbers / Carry that Weight).You'll have a pleasant surprise!
nonsequitur said:
RDMcG said:
Quite liked them in the period but don’t have a single Beatles song on my iPhone which must have over 1000. Think it might be overexposure but their stuff has not aged well for me.
Go on, upload some Beatles songs on you phone. My recommendations: Early, 'She Loves you'. Mid, 'Strawberry Fields Forever'. Late, The 'Medley' from Abbey Road , ( Mean mr. Mustard / Polythene Pam / She Came in Through the Bathroom Window / Golden Slumbers / Carry that Weight).You'll have a pleasant surprise!
There are two reasons I do what I do for a living.
'West Side Story' and 'With the Beatles'
This track probably more than any other. So very, very harmonically clever (even with crap recording and terrible stereo nonsense)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHAqAO7w8M8
'West Side Story' and 'With the Beatles'
This track probably more than any other. So very, very harmonically clever (even with crap recording and terrible stereo nonsense)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHAqAO7w8M8
GetCarter said:
There are two reasons I do what I do for a living.
'West Side Story' and 'With the Beatles'
This track probably more than any other. So very, very harmonically clever (even with crap recording and terrible stereo nonsense)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHAqAO7w8M8
Yes, exellent track, soothing. Sung by the band at the Royal Variety Performance in 1963 when JL made the 'rattle your jewellery' quip.'West Side Story' and 'With the Beatles'
This track probably more than any other. So very, very harmonically clever (even with crap recording and terrible stereo nonsense)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHAqAO7w8M8
Any opinions about the re-mastered White Album yet?
The vinyl is supposed to be fantastic, but there's no point me buying it as I listen to the world through hearing aids nowadays. The disc full of tracks from the demos recorded at Harrison's home in Esher is very interesting.
It's all on Spotify.
The vinyl is supposed to be fantastic, but there's no point me buying it as I listen to the world through hearing aids nowadays. The disc full of tracks from the demos recorded at Harrison's home in Esher is very interesting.
It's all on Spotify.
Roofless Toothless said:
Any opinions about the re-mastered White Album yet?
The vinyl is supposed to be fantastic, but there's no point me buying it as I listen to the world through hearing aids nowadays. The disc full of tracks from the demos recorded at Harrison's home in Esher is very interesting.
It's all on Spotify.
just listened to a good bit of the new remastered white album, in the car. The vinyl is supposed to be fantastic, but there's no point me buying it as I listen to the world through hearing aids nowadays. The disc full of tracks from the demos recorded at Harrison's home in Esher is very interesting.
It's all on Spotify.
the white album is probably one of my all time faves, there is a tremendous amount of stuff going on that my fidelity UA4 stereo never let me hear on the 1968 pressing. Not sure if thats the remix or my carp equipment. Also no static and crackles between tracks on spotify - I kinda miss that.
I do like some of the demos but the extra vocals on while my guitar are not beneficial
Edited by sawman on Sunday 11th November 20:10
Just listening to “Dear Prudence”, and I have to say this sounds great - really, really great -through my little Bose Sounddock..... going to get my cans when I can bother to get up. I can see this taking over as my week’s playlist.
I think it’s probably lost something of the original ambience, but that’s not necessarily bad.
I’m finding it crisp, but warm. I think this has done it justice! God, even “Oo Bloody” sounds OK!
Don’t hesitate to get your mitts on it - i’d Love to be able to hear it on vinyl!!
I think it’s probably lost something of the original ambience, but that’s not necessarily bad.
I’m finding it crisp, but warm. I think this has done it justice! God, even “Oo Bloody” sounds OK!
Don’t hesitate to get your mitts on it - i’d Love to be able to hear it on vinyl!!
You can get so much more of a perspective on the 'Fab Four' from 2018.
As an ex-bass player myself I have always appreciated McCartney. He just does so much that is right. I have never been overly impressed by bassists trying to outdo guitar playing band members in the clever department. I think it comes from many of them falling into the job because they were the last ones to step back when the question was put: 'Who's going to play the bass?' and have been resentful ever since. For me the ultimate bass player ever was Donald Dunn, who really understood the role. I appreciate Jack Bruce, but I think Cream was really Clapton on rhythm and Bruce on lead much of the time. McCartney has beautiful tone, never puts a foot wrong and is really musical. But as Lennon said, 'the only thing he did was Yesterday'.
George Harrison's ability on the guitar took a long time to be recognised, but his solos are immaculately prepared and performed, and he had a sound of his own, always the mark of a true great. His songs have probably stood the test of time more than Lennon/McCartney's. Sinatra thought that Something was sublime, great praise from a man who had the best songs in the world to pick from. I think he was shoved to the back by the egos of Lennon and McCartney and only blossomed after band split. All Things Must Pass is better than most Beatles albums, and streets ahead of what Lennon or McCartney did individually.
Ringo was a really innovative drummer, who tone and phrasing changed the face of rock drumming. His trademark 'lead in' filler (Bomp-bomp, ba-chug-a-bomp) was de rigueur for everybody that followed, My son plays drums in a band locally, and had years of lessons from a West End theatre pit drummer He was fascinated to see a film of Ringo playing. He said it was all wrong, but somehow worked - like going round the drum kit leading with the wrong hand and so on.
And then the enigma is Lennon, who somehow managed to hide that he was barely competent on guitar, and survived mainly by taking the proverbial out of the rest of the band. The ex-art student in him led him to believe that the band should have artistic pretensions that it just never needed, though I suppose the conflict between this and McCartney's Music Hall inclinations made for textural contrast.
But as in so many cases, the parts seemed to add up to more than the whole, They were tight and their voices blended in harmony. I know I should like Revolver the most, but my heart still has to go with Rubber Soul.
As an ex-bass player myself I have always appreciated McCartney. He just does so much that is right. I have never been overly impressed by bassists trying to outdo guitar playing band members in the clever department. I think it comes from many of them falling into the job because they were the last ones to step back when the question was put: 'Who's going to play the bass?' and have been resentful ever since. For me the ultimate bass player ever was Donald Dunn, who really understood the role. I appreciate Jack Bruce, but I think Cream was really Clapton on rhythm and Bruce on lead much of the time. McCartney has beautiful tone, never puts a foot wrong and is really musical. But as Lennon said, 'the only thing he did was Yesterday'.
George Harrison's ability on the guitar took a long time to be recognised, but his solos are immaculately prepared and performed, and he had a sound of his own, always the mark of a true great. His songs have probably stood the test of time more than Lennon/McCartney's. Sinatra thought that Something was sublime, great praise from a man who had the best songs in the world to pick from. I think he was shoved to the back by the egos of Lennon and McCartney and only blossomed after band split. All Things Must Pass is better than most Beatles albums, and streets ahead of what Lennon or McCartney did individually.
Ringo was a really innovative drummer, who tone and phrasing changed the face of rock drumming. His trademark 'lead in' filler (Bomp-bomp, ba-chug-a-bomp) was de rigueur for everybody that followed, My son plays drums in a band locally, and had years of lessons from a West End theatre pit drummer He was fascinated to see a film of Ringo playing. He said it was all wrong, but somehow worked - like going round the drum kit leading with the wrong hand and so on.
And then the enigma is Lennon, who somehow managed to hide that he was barely competent on guitar, and survived mainly by taking the proverbial out of the rest of the band. The ex-art student in him led him to believe that the band should have artistic pretensions that it just never needed, though I suppose the conflict between this and McCartney's Music Hall inclinations made for textural contrast.
But as in so many cases, the parts seemed to add up to more than the whole, They were tight and their voices blended in harmony. I know I should like Revolver the most, but my heart still has to go with Rubber Soul.
Roofless Toothless said:
...But as Lennon said, 'the only thing he did was Yesterday'...
I expect you realise he was being deliberately nasty, because McCartney was easily the world's best song writer of the 20th century.Although my favourite Beatles songs are mostly Lennon compositions.
Of course. That quote says as much about Lennon as it does about McCartney.
With me, the trouble with McCartney's compositions us that he doesn't seem to have a boundary between sweet and saccharin, and too readily slips over into complete lapses of taste like Rocky Raccoon.
Lennon is generally ascerbic all the time and even Goodnight is designed as a pastiche. I like many of his songs, but he is a cold fish and I can't warm to him.
If I had to choose between Lennon and McCartney, I think I would have to pick Harrison, if you know what I mean.
With me, the trouble with McCartney's compositions us that he doesn't seem to have a boundary between sweet and saccharin, and too readily slips over into complete lapses of taste like Rocky Raccoon.
Lennon is generally ascerbic all the time and even Goodnight is designed as a pastiche. I like many of his songs, but he is a cold fish and I can't warm to him.
If I had to choose between Lennon and McCartney, I think I would have to pick Harrison, if you know what I mean.
Camoradi said:
Totally O/T, but the day I was born, "Please, Please Me" was number 1 in the charts. I was born with a full head of dark hair (The ugliest baby you'd ever see) and the nurses from all over the hospital came to marvel at "The Beatle" in the maternity ward 
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Camoradi said:
Totally O/T, but the day I was born, "Please, Please Me" was number 1 in the charts. I was born with a full head of dark hair (The ugliest baby you'd ever see) and the nurses from all over the hospital came to marvel at "The Beatle" in the maternity ward
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