The Beatles

[singlecoil]

Brian Wilson was very very good, but he wanted to be as good as the Beatles, which would be the same as Jackie Chan wanting to be as good as Bruce Lee.

[singlecoil]

anonymous said:

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I'm curious, which three was that? Reason I ask is that I only know about four of them, and as far as I know none of those were classically trained.

[DickyC]

Yes, I've always thought it was their lack of formal training that allowed them to bend the rules because they weren't aware of them.

[Simes205]

DickyC said:

Yes, I've always thought it was their lack of formal training that allowed them to bend the rules because they weren't aware of them.

Same here, George Martin was the genius behind the arrangements, he was classical trained one.

[singlecoil]

anonymous said:

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Where are you getting this information from? It's wrong, BTW.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I got into The Beatles in my late teens as my best mate was heavily into them but I always thought it wasn't the best time as I'd enjoyed Manchester previously and Britpop was just happening. I'm not saying those movements were better but they were such exciting times to be a music fan I probably just didn't need The Beatles as well.

So I've always appreciated them but never loved them, they sort of weren't "my" music if you know what I mean.

I don't really listen to music anymore after burning myself out with it since DJing up until my thirties but if I ever did get back in I think I'd try and revisit them and do the whole "Beatles" thing again.

I always thought ELO could have been The Beatles part 2 in a way...

[nonsequitur]

anonymous said:

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I think you may be getting confused with the Liverpool Institute which PM and GH attended. JL went to art school and RS was bed bound for long periods of his schooldays.

[nonsequitur]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I got into The Beatles in my late teens as my best mate was heavily into them but I always thought it wasn't the best time as I'd enjoyed Manchester previously and Britpop was just happening. I'm not saying those movements were better but they were such exciting times to be a music fan I probably just didn't need The Beatles as well.

So I've always appreciated them but never loved them, they sort of weren't "my" music if you know what I mean.

I don't really listen to music anymore after burning myself out with it since DJing up until my thirties but if I ever did get back in I think I'd try and revisit them and do the whole "Beatles" thing again.

I always thought ELO could have been The Beatles part 2 in a way...

I would argue that there has never been, anywhere close, a Beatles part two. Many have tried, including ,ELO, but none have succeeded.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

nonsequitur said:

I would argue that there has never been, anywhere close, a Beatles part two. Many have tried, including ,ELO, but none have succeeded.

No you're right I guess, I did say could! I just think if they had continued then what ELO were producing might just have been what they sounded like.

[cherryowen]

nonsequitur said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I got into The Beatles in my late teens as my best mate was heavily into them but I always thought it wasn't the best time as I'd enjoyed Manchester previously and Britpop was just happening. I'm not saying those movements were better but they were such exciting times to be a music fan I probably just didn't need The Beatles as well.

So I've always appreciated them but never loved them, they sort of weren't "my" music if you know what I mean.

I don't really listen to music anymore after burning myself out with it since DJing up until my thirties but if I ever did get back in I think I'd try and revisit them and do the whole "Beatles" thing again.

I always thought ELO could have been The Beatles part 2 in a way...

I would argue that there has never been, anywhere close, a Beatles part two. Many have tried, including ,ELO, but none have succeeded.

I wouldn't, for one second, begin to compare Jeff Lynne's songwriting / tunesmithery to The Beatles. However, he did have some very good moments. If I look at my Little Book of Music which I update as and when I learn a tune, Telephone Line is quite interesting. The synth intro is basically A minor / G / F / G which suggests a key of B major. But the verse is A / Amaj7 / A7 / Bb minor diminished / B minor / E / B minor / C# minor / D / E. I don't know, harmonically, what's going on (I suspect there's some voice leading in there) but it works a treat. Even the chorus is of interest being A / F# minor / D / E6 / D diminished (I think the last chord is D dim as the notes in the chord are D / A / B / F).

[Evangelion]

I don't really see how A minor / G / F / G would suggest a key of B major. I'd say it was A minor.

Also D / A / B / F don't make a D dim - that would be B / D / F / A flat.

D / A / B / F would be D min 6.

[RATATTAK]

As an aside, I saw Jeff Lynne live in his Idle Race days - thought he was good then using the volume control on his Strat to good effect

[Simes205]

Just giving the intro a quick listen I’d say it’s in A.
That chord sequence A, AM7 then A7 are all inversions which give you that descending bass line. Then you get E which is the Dom. of A then Bm which is the Dom. of E only this time it’s gone to the minor. It’s just going around the cycle of fifths, nothing new here. The next chord isn’t related though C#m.

Overall it’s in A with modulations to other related keys but sitting in bed without a piano I can’t work them out completely accurately!

Edited by Simes205 on Sunday 28th October 00:02

[cherryowen]

Evangelion said:

I don't really see how A minor / G / F / G would suggest a key of B major. I'd say it was A minor.

Also D / A / B / F don't make a D dim - that would be B / D / F / A flat.

D / A / B / F would be D min 6.

Drat, C major,

[number 46]

None of the Beatles were classically trained. McCartney can't even read music, in fact I think none of them could read music. McCartney recalls hearing various tunes and ideas in his head and singing them to George Martin/the session players at Beatles recording sessions, which were then incorporated in the arrangement by George Martin. George Martin studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and he did the string arrangements for the Beatles records and certainly encouraged and helped them widen the style and sound of their music.

McCartney was exposed to many 32 bar popular songs from the 30's and 40's, the influence can be heard in the many of Beatles song structures.

[nonsequitur]

number 46 said:

None of the Beatles were classically trained. McCartney can't even read music, in fact I think none of them could read music. McCartney recalls hearing various tunes and ideas in his head and singing them to George Martin/the session players at Beatles recording sessions, which were then incorporated in the arrangement by George Martin. George Martin studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and he did the string arrangements for the Beatles records and certainly encouraged and helped them widen the style and sound of their music.

McCartney was exposed to many 32 bar popular songs from the 30's and 40's, the influence can be heard in the many of Beatles song structures.

Yes. His father was a musician. PM was born in 1942 so hence the influence from his dad.

[SCEtoAUX]

I hopped over here to see what Beatles discussions were taking place because over the last year or so I really feel I've discovered them.

I'm 54, always liked their songs, but also songs by many other bands. I did a trip to Liverpool a couple of years ago, did some Beatles sights etc. but it was only after treating myself to a record deck, nice amp and speakers did I invest in a few of their albums and start listening with a bit more "commitment".

Now I'm a huge fan and regard them as streets ahead of any other band/musician in music history. The Stones are fantastic, the likes of Bowie and Elvis just phenomenal in their own way, but nobody gets close to The Fab Four.

I prefer the mid to late stuff, favourite tracks being A Day in the Life, Lucy in the Sky, and bizarrely I put Lovely Rita in my top ten.

Best album? I can't easily choose between Abbey Road and Sgt Peppers, but I think it's Abbey Road because when I stood on that crossing in the Summer it was just magical.

[Wacky Racer]

Has anybody on here actually seen the Beatles live?

The last performance was at Candlestick Park, San Francisco in 1966, (Other than the London Apple roof top concert in January '69)

I've seen Macca umpteen times.

[DickyC]

I bragged at work once that my wife had seen the Beatles live. Stupidly I said it in the presence of a Liverpudlian. His sister and her mates skipped school to be extras in one of the Beatles films. The scenes the producers wanted were of the Fab Four being mobbed by fans of which there was no shortage at a fiver each and tea and sandwiches provided all day. When the lads escape into a lift four girls manage to get in too. His sister was one of them.

He won.

[Stan the Bat]

Wacky Racer said:

Has anybody on here actually seen the Beatles live?

The last performance was at Candlestick Park, San Francisco in 1966, (Other than the London Apple roof top concert in January '69)

I've seen Macca umpteen times.

Saw them at the Cavern many many times, and other places.