Are todays "musicians" just lazy or talentless

[Integroo]

There is lots of inventive music around today.

If you look at hip hop, which is often denigrated by old farts nowadays, you have artists like Run the Jewels, Kendrick Lamar, Kanye West, Pusha T, Lil Wayne, Tyler The Creator, Brockhampton - all put out very creative projects in the last few years.

Sure there is plenty of derivative nonsense around, but that's always been the case.

[ElectricSoup]

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

[Integroo]

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

[ElectricSoup]

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

[Integroo]

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

Which is fine, you don't have to like it - but I think it's unfair to say that each and every hip hop artist is lazy or talentless when it is clearly not the case!

[ElectricSoup]

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

Which is fine, you don't have to like it - but I think it's unfair to say that each and every hip hop artist is lazy or talentless when it is clearly not the case!

They are certainly often talented at publicity seeking and self promotion, I'll give them that.

[Magnum 475]

I have one thing to add.....

WTF is the thing for 'Auto tune' at the moment. Every other piece of cr4p that I hear in the gym has some muppet 'singing' that's clearly been auto tuned 'cause the muppet can't actually sing. This seems to mean that if someone looks good, the music produces go for them and let the electronics fix their total lack of any musical ability or talent.

[Integroo]

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

Which is fine, you don't have to like it - but I think it's unfair to say that each and every hip hop artist is lazy or talentless when it is clearly not the case!

They are certainly often talented at publicity seeking and self promotion, I'll give them that.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. You are just an old man shouting at the clouds now.

[wisbech]

Isn't this just a case of survivor bias?

Basically, for a song to still be played regularly 30-40 years later, it has to be exceptional. So after a time, we think that all songs from the past were exceptional, because the crud doesn't survive.

[ElectricSoup]

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

Which is fine, you don't have to like it - but I think it's unfair to say that each and every hip hop artist is lazy or talentless when it is clearly not the case!

They are certainly often talented at publicity seeking and self promotion, I'll give them that.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. You are just an old man shouting at the clouds now.

I thank that's what you want to think. You named Kanye West. Are you trying to claim he's not talented at publicity seeking and self promotion?

[Driver101]

triggerhappy21 said:

Rider007 said:

Forgot to mention in my OP , Michael Jackson, Fleetwood Mac, Police,Genesis,Pretenders, Prince, George Michael, UB40, Crowded House, Men at Work,INXS. What I'm saying is that they all have a uniqueness about them that modern stuff doesn't have.

I think there is a definite case of rose tinted spectacles going on here.

Your above list covers some of the highlights of virtually 25 years of music,

Edited by triggerhappy21 on Friday 23 August 09:12

Most people will pick the music of their youth as being the best.

UB40 go down as one of the very worst bands I've seen live. They headlined at a 80s festival and they managed to empty the place they were so bad.

It wasn't the fact they are irrelevant to the youth of today, it was all the oldies that got bored of their lacklustre performance.

There is done of great music around these days. Don't rely on the charts to find it.

[Sporky]

Magnum 475 said:

I have one thing to add.....

WTF is the thing for 'Auto tune' at the moment. Every other piece of cr4p that I hear in the gym has some muppet 'singing' that's clearly been auto tuned 'cause the muppet can't actually sing. This seems to mean that if someone looks good, the music produces go for them and let the electronics fix their total lack of any musical ability or talent.

If you can hear it it's deliberate. Auto-tune is good enough now that you'd be very hard pressed to know if it was being used or if the singer had really accurate pitch.

It's a musical motif in some styles. I think it might have been that awful Cher track that kicked that off.

It can be used creatively though - Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek" fer instance (though that's actually vocoder I believe).

I'm not saying I like the obvious use of auto-tune, but I do think it's intentional. Otherwise you'd do it better, or have the "performer" mime while someone else sings back stage...

[ElectricSoup]

It's striking how many posters are claiming there is so much good music around today, but you have to look for it. Ok. Well, back that up.

I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.

[Pothole]

ElectricSoup said:

It's striking how many posters are claiming there is so much good music around today, but you have to look for it. Ok. Well, back that up.

I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.

Not that new and not UK, but check out Dawes. One of my favourite discoveries of this millenium. Black Stone Cherry. Black Country Communion, & Airbourne are a bit harder

[ElectricSoup]

Pothole said:

Not that new and not UK, but check out Dawes. One of my favourite discoveries of this millenium. Black Stone Cherry. Black Country Communion, & Airbourne are a bit harder

Cool, thanks, never heard of any of those. Will give them a try.

[G0ldfysh]

Sporky said:

Magnum 475 said:

I have one thing to add.....

WTF is the thing for 'Auto tune' at the moment. Every other piece of cr4p that I hear in the gym has some muppet 'singing' that's clearly been auto tuned 'cause the muppet can't actually sing. This seems to mean that if someone looks good, the music produces go for them and let the electronics fix their total lack of any musical ability or talent.

If you can hear it it's deliberate. Auto-tune is good enough now that you'd be very hard pressed to know if it was being used or if the singer had really accurate pitch.

It's a musical motif in some styles. I think it might have been that awful Cher track that kicked that off.

It can be used creatively though - Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek" fer instance (though that's actually vocoder I believe).

I'm not saying I like the obvious use of auto-tune, but I do think it's intentional. Otherwise you'd do it better, or have the "performer" mime while someone else sings back stage...

Auto tune reminds me of Jeremy Freedman (squeaky voiced teen) in the Simpsons.
They are just struggling with puberty, it is what makes some of them so angry too much drug abuse has made things shrink or not develop in the first place.

[Integroo]

ElectricSoup said:

I thank that's what you want to think. You named Kanye West. Are you trying to claim he's not talented at publicity seeking and self promotion?

You mean he is a musician that promotes himself? Like musicians always have done and always will do?

Kanye West is a massively talented musician and every bit as much a trailblazer as some of the artists mentioned in the OP. To deny it is senseless.

[Integroo]

ElectricSoup said:

It's striking how many posters are claiming there is so much good music around today, but you have to look for it. Ok. Well, back that up.

I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.

Problem is you seem to basically want to find a modern band playing music that you like from days gone by, rather than exploring modern music.

[HustleRussell]

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

Well you're right there. I am an old fart and I denigrate hip hop.

Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?

Yes, I can't get on with it.

Which is fine, you don't have to like it - but I think it's unfair to say that each and every hip hop artist is lazy or talentless when it is clearly not the case!

They are certainly often talented at publicity seeking and self promotion, I'll give them that.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. You are just an old man shouting at the clouds now.

I thank that's what you want to think. You named Kanye West. Are you trying to claim he's not talented at publicity seeking and self promotion?

Equally are you telling us that the Rolling Stones, U2 et al aren’t?

Isn’t publicity and self-promotion a fairly sensible thing to do if you make music for a living?

[ElectricSoup]

Integroo said:

ElectricSoup said:

I thank that's what you want to think. You named Kanye West. Are you trying to claim he's not talented at publicity seeking and self promotion?

You mean he is a musician that promotes himself? Like musicians always have done and always will do?

Kanye West is a massively talented musician and every bit as much a trailblazer as some of the artists mentioned in the OP. To deny it is senseless.

No I mean that his talent for self promotion appears to be head and shoulders above his alleged musical talents. Blazed a trail he may have, but where it leads, well, it's not somewhere I want to go.