Are todays "musicians" just lazy or talentless

Are todays "musicians" just lazy or talentless

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Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ElectricSoup said:
No I mean that his talent for self promotion appears to be head and shoulders above his alleged musical talents. Blazed a trail he may have, but where it leads, well, it's not somewhere I want to go.
That's frankly nonsense, you're just ignorant.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
ElectricSoup said:
It's striking how many posters are claiming there is so much good music around today, but you have to look for it. Ok. Well, back that up.

I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.
Problem is you seem to basically want to find a modern band playing music that you like from days gone by, rather than exploring modern music.
Well as you've been keen to point out, I'm an old man. I haven't got much time left. I would like to find some modern bands/artists playing melodic guitar based rock music, or interesting, tuneful harder rock, or singer-songwriter type acoustic guitar or piano based music. And I don't mean hipster flim flam like Mumbles and Sons for example. I am not interested in electronic instruments, or anything which is just a beat with shouting over the top of it. Because I don't like that. I'd love to explore some new artists which you think I might enjoy, but trying to convince me that Kanye West is the second coming isn't really very helpful. I'm sure he isn't lazy, I'm sure he's jolly busy. I have also pointed out where I think his talents lie, so I'm not saying he's talentless. However his musical output is absolute dog rot. IMHO.

Sporky

6,207 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ElectricSoup said:
I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.
Setting them up so you can knock them down...

Arbiter by Hopesfall
Effloresce by Oceansize
LP3 by Restorations (not wildly original but very well done)

...and, not guitar based rock at all, but just hilariously brilliant and undeniably different:

Polymorphic Code by The Algorithm

I've been through this exercise before though and it plays out the same way every time; someone claims that modern x (not necessarily but often music) is rubbish, demands to be proven wrong, and then dismisses everything put forward. It'll be interesting to see if this is any different, and if not, if you manage to do it without being insulting. smile

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Sporky said:
ElectricSoup said:
I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.
Setting them up so you can knock them down...

Arbiter by Hopesfall
Effloresce by Oceansize
LP3 by Restorations (not wildly original but very well done)

...and, not guitar based rock at all, but just hilariously brilliant and undeniably different:

Polymorphic Code by The Algorithm

I've been through this exercise before though and it plays out the same way every time; someone claims that modern x (not necessarily but often music) is rubbish, demands to be proven wrong, and then dismisses everything put forward. It'll be interesting to see if this is any different, and if not, if you manage to do it without being insulting. smile
Thanks. Can I ask though, who I've insulted? Apart from myself and Kanye West of course (neither of whom give a fk I imagine).

I'll try your recommendations, and if I like them I'll say so. No idea why you would think otherwise. I've recently installed Spotify on my phone for the first time with the express intention of finding some new stuff, now that I've got a bit more time as my children are getting older and less demanding, and the telly isn't stuck on Peppa Pig constantly. I live in hope to be proven wrong.

Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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What about Idlewild? Not exactly modern, but not 80s. My favourite song is A Modern Way of Letting Go, released in 2002.

Sporky

6,207 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Ah; my apologies, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that you have insulted anyone (apart from Mr West, who is big and rich enough to handle it, I'm sure).

I meant that what typically happens is that suggestions are made, and the person demanding them describes such suggestions in as harsh terms as they can come up with.

I am confident, if a little saddened, that you won't like any of them, but none are generic. smile

hurstg01

2,911 posts

243 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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I guess, as I am getting older, I feel the same as the OP - some of the recent songs are cool, some are dire; there was one, Rihanna or suchlike, who mumbled and sounded like she couldn't be bothered to sing it, really really lazy singing, yet she still sold loads

And another current one in the charts at the moment that seems like it was a 45rpm record playing at 33rpm speed, really drawly..

It also seems that they are lacking imagination, as said earlier, by rehashing old good tunes with a modern beat.


mr_fibuli

1,109 posts

195 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
Have you ever listened to any hip hop rather than the mumble rap over trap beats that gets played on the radio though?
I just discovered that "mumble rap" was a thing a couple off weeks ago, and made the mistake of watching a Youtube video about it. I'm listening to Public Enemy now to try and erase the memory.


Sporky

6,207 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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I would have thought that the obvious solution to not liking anything on the radio or in the charts is not to listen to the radio or anything in the charts.

That way you've got more time to listen to and/or do things you like.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
What about Idlewild? Not exactly modern, but not 80s. My favourite song is A Modern Way of Letting Go, released in 2002.
Yeah quite like them, seen them at a few festivals if memory serves. Nowhere near my top 10 bands/artists though. Another one I quite like from more modern times is Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, I have a few of their albums and still listen to them. Thought they were flat and boring when I saw them live though, which is odd. I really liked Jake Bugg's first album when that came out, but have tired of it now. He struck me as 1000 times better than Sheeran, they emerged at about the same time, but guess who became the mega star?

Driver101

14,376 posts

121 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ElectricSoup said:
Pothole said:
Not that new and not UK, but check out Dawes. One of my favourite discoveries of this millenium. Black Stone Cherry. Black Country Communion, & Airbourne are a bit harder
Cool, thanks, never heard of any of those. Will give them a try.
Have you got Spotify? Start listening to what you like and it'll help you discover more. There is no way of knowing what you'll like. If you're stuck in the past with your taste there's no point of naming many modern bands.

Here is some random tracks to listen to.

https://youtu.be/aJg4OJxp-co

https://youtu.be/dkpgz3uQ58U

https://youtu.be/e0zjpJNhC0M

https://youtu.be/HYnUtG9b3Zc

https://youtu.be/U4GbYOL4rl0

https://youtu.be/rC3l9C5wOpo

https://youtu.be/kFiELMXbqHU

https://youtu.be/BQvEjTMQaSk



A quick list of something to listen to. I could link loads of others, but if your music taste isn't like mine I'll just be wasting my time.


I've always noticed with the "what are you listening to" threads nobody usually clicks on the links to listen anyway. laugh



Edited by Driver101 on Friday 23 August 13:50

Integroo

11,574 posts

85 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ElectricSoup said:
Integroo said:
What about Idlewild? Not exactly modern, but not 80s. My favourite song is A Modern Way of Letting Go, released in 2002.
Yeah quite like them, seen them at a few festivals if memory serves. Nowhere near my top 10 bands/artists though. Another one I quite like from more modern times is Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, I have a few of their albums and still listen to them. Thought they were flat and boring when I saw them live though, which is odd. I really liked Jake Bugg's first album when that came out, but have tired of it now. He struck me as 1000 times better than Sheeran, they emerged at about the same time, but guess who became the mega star?
Placebo?

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
ElectricSoup said:
Integroo said:
What about Idlewild? Not exactly modern, but not 80s. My favourite song is A Modern Way of Letting Go, released in 2002.
Yeah quite like them, seen them at a few festivals if memory serves. Nowhere near my top 10 bands/artists though. Another one I quite like from more modern times is Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, I have a few of their albums and still listen to them. Thought they were flat and boring when I saw them live though, which is odd. I really liked Jake Bugg's first album when that came out, but have tired of it now. He struck me as 1000 times better than Sheeran, they emerged at about the same time, but guess who became the mega star?
Placebo?
Very much a product of my favourite era. Not one I've ever been hugely keen on but I do own a bit of their material and have seen them live.

I suppose owning material is old fashioned these days.

wisbech

2,968 posts

121 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
ElectricSoup said:
It's striking how many posters are claiming there is so much good music around today, but you have to look for it. Ok. Well, back that up.

I don't see many modern era artists being recommended for those of us who would like to find some. Give us a place to start. My favourite genre is guitar based rock music. Who do those who claim there is much great new music around recommend I try? There's been one recommendation on this thread so far. Let's have some more. I openly admitting I'm an old fart stuck on the past. Help me out.
Problem is you seem to basically want to find a modern band playing music that you like from days gone by, rather than exploring modern music.
Quite. The equivalent would be someone in the 1970’s complaining about the lack of good big band or swing.

Hub

6,431 posts

198 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Integroo said:
What about Idlewild? Not exactly modern, but not 80s. My favourite song is A Modern Way of Letting Go, released in 2002.
Fabulous track - over too soon though! They quickly went quite dull and folky though!

Foals are my favourite band of the last few years - they are creative, have their own distinct sound, and have stayed fresh and consistent over quite a few albums, when most run out of ideas these days.

Sporky

6,207 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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ElectricSoup said:
Integroo said:
Placebo?
Very much a product of my favourite era.
Blimey. You can't be much older than me then.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Sporky said:
ElectricSoup said:
Integroo said:
Placebo?
Very much a product of my favourite era.
Blimey. You can't be much older than me then.
I'm 49.

Sporky

6,207 posts

64 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Yup - handful of years' difference.

I liked some of Placebo's stuff; they went a bit stodgy though.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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I'd agree with that.

Hub

6,431 posts

198 months

Friday 23rd August 2019
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Placebo - I never understood the love for 'Pure Morning', a single chord dirge. 'The Bitter End' on the other hand, I love!