Are todays "musicians" just lazy or talentless

[Sporky]

I liked "Special Needs". Other than that, though, I think it was only the first album that did much for me.

[anonymous-user]

For electric soup, how about
- Royal blood, especially the first album, are great.
- The pretty vicious
- The Amazon's first album is worth a listen although may be too indie?
- Black Peaks are heavier but always manage to sound different
- Black foxxes do some amazing songs

And there are so many more like dinosaur pile up, even bring me the horizon (especially the third album).

One thing I was wondering is whether any of the bands mentioned (thinking of Kiss etc) ever had any actual chart success (and would therefore be played on mainstream radio) or whether it's comparing different classes of music (pop to rock) and musical success (chart numbers to shows sold?).

[qotsa]

Sporky said:

I liked "Special Needs". Other than that, though, I think it was only the first album that did much for me.

Placebo Meds is a good album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeZGyIwcWOM

[Nik Gnashers]

I'd just like to add :
As a 50 year old codger, I disagree with the OP.
I started DJing aged 11, with a set of single speed belt drives, and I'm still DJing every week now.
I also play guitar.
I love some music from all era's, 1920's right up to today's latest. There was and still is, plenty of shyte around, but there is also some really innovative, clever, and creative stuff being made today.
If you are the type of person who still listens to ONLY the music of your teen's / early 20's, then unless modern music sounded like that, you are always going to hate it.
If you are a true music lover, and have an open mind, you will find a lot of modern stuff, if you are prepared to look for it, and you have to dig deep sometimes, because the stuff that is force fed to you by the huge commercial music industry companies tends to be the worst shyte of all.
I have just bought a brand new underground UK HipHop album, as I absolutely love a lot of the music being made (no it's not 'trap', or 'grime').......Yep a 50 year old blasting out UK HipHop from his car window, and proud of it.
I can just as happily listen to acoustic folk music, or oldskool rave music.
Age doesn't and shouldn't matter.

[banjowilly]

Nik Gnashers said:

If you are a true music lover, and have an open mind, you will find a lot of modern stuff, if you are prepared to look for it,

I couldn't agree more & the way things are today, it's never been easier to seek out good music, whatever your definition of that is. Internet radio, Spotify, Apple music, You tube, it's all out there.

[OldSkoolRS]

I go to an evening class at a local college for guitar classes. Over the last 5 years the class has picked a very varied range of songs (they let the keyboard players chose sometimes too ). Occasionally I've thought that I don't fancy learning a particular song as it's newer than my usual genre for playing (though I do still listen to newer stuff on the radio).

However, these newer songs have often been the ones that helped me learn more and I've often ended getting really into those artists and listening to their other tracks off the back of it.

I love the music of my youth, but I don't want to only listen to that for the rest of my life: I mean some of the lyrics weren't that great even then: 'De do do da, de do do da is all I want to say to you...' for example.

[bigpriest]

Rider007 said:

radio...Hits radio

There's your problem - you're listening to music that's the cheese equivalent of mild cheddar.

[Simes205]

Just to help whoever find some modern music watch some of these and subscribe to the channel.
https://youtu.be/eB4oFu4BtQ8

[Chicken Chaser]

I'm 37 but still listening out for new stuff all the time on Spotify. Cut my teeth in the 90s on Britpop but have a fairly eclectic pallette. Just a few picks of fairly recent (some have been around a while) artists who I believe are credible musicians.

Black Keys
Bon Iver
Editor's
Gang of youths
Gary Clark Jr
Jack Garratt
The Amazon's
QOTSA
Royal Blood
Ryan Adams
Sam Fender
Tom Misch
Vulfpeck

YMMV on that but never have we had so much access and never has there been so much accessibility to get music heard from artists trying to break through.

[Simes205]

Chicken Chaser said:

Vulfpeck

Saw them live last year.
Fantastic!

Check out Knower and Louis Cole’s own projects.

[Chicken Chaser]

Simes205 said:

Saw them live last year.
Fantastic!

Check out Knower and Louis Cole’s own projects.

I was watching https://youtu.be/x0vgMl6n7m0 with my five year old the other day when my wife walked in. Queue the 'daddy is old fashioned' comment. She couldn't believe it when I told her when the music and video was made.

[MitchT]

Rider007 said:

... I'm an oldie having grown up with the likes of Queen,Pink Floyd,AC/DC,U2,Kiss,Stones,Doors but the music all sounded unique and different. Today's crap all sounds the same, autotuned and shrill.

Really depends on the source of the music you're hearing. I love a lot of the stuff you do, but I love a lot of modern stuff too. New technology has provided new tools for making music and as a result there's some incredibly creative stuff out there. There's a lot of crap too, but the same can be said of the era that produced Pink Floyd, etc. It sounds like the station you're listening to mostly plays generic stuff that's been produced to a formula dictated by record company marketing bods. There's a lot to be said for getting a streaming service up on your work computer and sticking some earphones in... if you can.

[cherryowen]

Nik Gnashers said:

Age doesn't and shouldn't matter.

100% this

Music is the broadest church, and (at the risk of sounding cliched) the more open minded you are the more welcoming it is.As an example, a previous poster (Driver101 I think. If so, a tip of the hat to you) linked to a live performance by Frightened Rabbit. Now, I'd not heard of them before but I found them deeply impressive with clever arrangements and energy. I love that; finding new artists playing music I can really listen to.

As others have alluded to, the internet has opened up a whole new world of discovery for music lovers. I mentioned Kasey Musgrave in my previous post on page 2 as someone I'd not have bothered with, but she has such a wonderful voice and an innate sense of what guitar chords will sit with a tune.

Two others spring to mind that I've found through tinternet:-

Devin Townsend
A Winged Victory for the Sullen

As a guitar player, Devin is witchcraft. Plays with the guitar down by his knees Jimmy Page style, tunes his guitars to an open C, plays insane chord shapes whilst at max distortion. Shouldn't work, but does. "Kingdom" never fails to get my hairs on end.

Back on topic, there's no reason why tunes with interesting chord progressions shouldn't be topping the modern charts as basic music theory is not difficult.

[Integroo]

The Editors are brilliant. I'm not a big rock/indie fan but they are one of my favourite bands.

[Driver101]

Integroo said:

The Editors are brilliant. I'm not a big rock/indie fan but they are one of my favourite bands.

Brilliant band. They put on a good live show. I don't understand how they've fallen away to play the venues they now do.

[Rider007]

Didn't think I would be stirring up such a witches cauldron ,obviously there was a lot of cheesy crap produced in the 60's ,70's ,80's ,but what I'm trying to get across is that most bands seemed to have a unique "signature" to them ,without constant repetition of the same lyrics and chords of today, take this great cover of Chicago "25 or 6 to 4" , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_torOTK5qc&li... ,do you think most modern song writers could have the imagination to go beyond the 4 chord rule book ?. I think just let the guitar do the talking , original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg&li... or Prince https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efhlDbZ4SmY

Edited by Rider007 on Saturday 24th August 00:28

Edited by Rider007 on Saturday 24th August 00:38

[227bhp]

You do wonder if today's yoof will look back on the music they grew up with passion and fondness like most of us do.
We have 70s, 80s and 90s nights, do we have noughties and beyond nights?

[banjowilly]

227bhp said:

You do wonder if today's yoof will look back on the music they grew up with passion and fondness like most of us do.
We have 70s, 80s and 90s nights, do we have noughties and beyond nights?

If I were 16 today, I'd think Royal Blood were the greatest band the world's ever seen. That's how it works. You like Prince, your dad liked the Beatles, his dad thought Count Basie was the bomb and on it goes.

[HustleRussell]

Rider007 said:

Didn't think I would be stirring up such a witches cauldron ,obviously there was a lot of cheesy crap produced in the 60's ,70's ,80's ,but what I'm trying to get across is that most bands seemed to have a unique "signature" to them ,without constant repetition of the same lyrics and chords of today, take this great cover of Chicago "25 or 6 to 4" , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_torOTK5qc&li... ,do you think most modern song writers could have the imagination to go beyond the 4 chord rule book ?. I think just let the guitar do the talking , original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg&li... or Prince https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efhlDbZ4SmY

You’re really just ignoring a lot of what is being posted aren’t you? And that is typical of modern music complainers. Fingers metaphorically in ears unless the song was released 25+ years ago. My Dad is the same.

[Roofless Toothless]

I'm still waiting for a group that can follow the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band with a lyric that contains the words 'prefabricated concrete coal bunker'.