Backing track creation or modification

Backing track creation or modification

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Ricky146a

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307 posts

76 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Hi All

Don't know if I should be asking here or in computer section but here goes.

I have some music tracks in mp3 format that want to remove the lead guitar from so that I am left with a backing track.
Is this even possible???
Anyone any ideas how I can achieve this?

I play (privately) lead guitar but several specific pieces of music (Shadows, Hank Marvin and John Williams) do not seem to have the backing tracks available anywhere.

Thanks in advance.

suthol

2,155 posts

234 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Have a look here backing tracks

I play guitar and bass with a trio ( me, mate on acoustic rhythm and another mate on lap steel all three sing ) using backing tracks from that site, with their custom tracks you can mute out whichever part you wish to exclude and also change key a couple of steps each way, I just drop the guitar or bass depending on what I want to play.

We are doing originals exclusively now and build the backing tracks in Band In A Box to get drums and other instruments that we don't play into the arrangements

Shameless plug Never Too Late

cherryowen

11,708 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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https://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/

Some are a bit hit 'n miss, but there are some very good ones on there. One of my favourites is one of the Sultans of Swing tracks where you can play all the guitar fills and both solos.


mike_knott

339 posts

224 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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If they are instrumentals, you might be able to do a subtraction of one channel from the other. This removes anything which is panned in the centre which might be the guitar on an instrumental track. (I think foobar2000 or Audacity do it; it will be called vocal removal or something and only takes a couple of clicks.)

Failing that (and the other suggestions above), there might be a guitar pro track for some of them. I have a large zip file of them, I'll have a look and see what I have (but you would need Guitar Pro to play them).

Mike...

GCH

3,991 posts

202 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Izotope do some pretty amazing software that can do stuff like this...and there some tools in other audio software

Or bung it in here and see what you can come up with (may need to separate everything then re-combine all the elements except the one you want to remove)
https://moises.ai/

Ricky146a

Original Poster:

307 posts

76 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Hi Guys.
Thanks for your help and advice.
I tried Audacity, Blaze Audio and one or two other similar vocal removal tools and whilst they do create a definite stereo effect, they all leave the lead guitar front and center. It may be to do with the mp3 track I give them.
I am expecting a cd set tomorrow of remastered John Williams tracks tomorrow which should be distinct stereo and I will try them.
The two tracks I am most interested in at the moment are Swagman (a semi classical rendition of Waltzing Matilda) and Portrait (Bach, I think).

I have no problem with The Shadows. We have access to all their backing tracks. I play with a group of like-minded individuals each week and we each get up and play along to a selection of backing tracks. (No public - just us). My current list is Classical Gas and Cavatina. Two very different styles (finger style and plectrum).

mike_knott

339 posts

224 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Ricky146a said:
Hi Guys.
Thanks for your help and advice.
I tried Audacity, Blaze Audio and one or two other similar vocal removal tools and whilst they do create a definite stereo effect, they all leave the lead guitar front and center. It may be to do with the mp3 track I give them.
I am expecting a cd set tomorrow of remastered John Williams tracks tomorrow which should be distinct stereo and I will try them.
The two tracks I am most interested in at the moment are Swagman (a semi classical rendition of Waltzing Matilda) and Portrait (Bach, I think).

I have no problem with The Shadows. We have access to all their backing tracks. I play with a group of like-minded individuals each week and we each get up and play along to a selection of backing tracks. (No public - just us). My current list is Classical Gas and Cavatina. Two very different styles (finger style and plectrum).
As long as the mp3 track was stereo it should have worked but the results can be a bit hit and miss.

Sorry but I don't have either of the tracks you mention as Guitar Pro files.

Mike...

Ricky146a

Original Poster:

307 posts

76 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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mike_knott said:
As long as the mp3 track was stereo it should have worked but the results can be a bit hit and miss.

Sorry but I don't have either of the tracks you mention as Guitar Pro files.

Mike...
SUCCESS!
My discs came in the post today and I imported them to Audacity. I then processed them to remove vocals using the 'vocal reduction and isolation' effect. The result is a backing track without lead guitar - perfect (well, almost).
The original mp3 files I gave it must have been mono tracks - the new ones are remastered original stereo.

I am now playing with the parameters to adjust the guitar reduction to leave me a tiny bit as an aide to playing.

Audacity is a great bit of software and open source. I can recommend it.

Thanks Guys!


thebraketester

14,224 posts

138 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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It will only work it the thing you are trying to remove is centre paned and contains few if any effects.

I just tried in on a track.... Eye of the Tiger (dont ask), and it does a fairly good job at removing the vocals but the guitars remain virtually untouched.

mike_knott

339 posts

224 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Ricky146a said:
SUCCESS!
My discs came in the post today and I imported them to Audacity. I then processed them to remove vocals using the 'vocal reduction and isolation' effect. The result is a backing track without lead guitar - perfect (well, almost).
The original mp3 files I gave it must have been mono tracks - the new ones are remastered original stereo.

I am now playing with the parameters to adjust the guitar reduction to leave me a tiny bit as an aide to playing.

Audacity is a great bit of software and open source. I can recommend it.

Thanks Guys!
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Evangelion

7,723 posts

178 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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How long is it supposed to take to upload a track to moises? I was sat watching the little wheel go round for about ten minutes and no sign of it ending.

ETA - it did work in the end. Took almost an entire episode of Doctor Who. So about 3 weeks.

Edited by Evangelion on Monday 24th February 23:43