Joy Division

[rjfp1962]

Manchester mural 2020.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

Take that Banksy.

[bigandclever]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Take that Banksy.

I thought Banksy was in Massive Attack, not Take That

[Halmyre]

rjfp1962 said:

jakesmith said:

He developed epilepsy later on, didn’t have it as a child. They used to get hold of and take any prescription meds they could get no matter what they were for.

His life was extremely bleak and he doesn’t come across as remotely likeable.

One former band member was dumped out of the band by being asked to check for a flat tyre on their van, they pulled over, he got out for a look and they drove off leaving him there! Generous.

Not sure that's exactly fair. Epilepsy, or more so, the treating of it wasn't very good back then, and I think he was bi-polar, so sometimes he was ok and other times he wasn't.. Depression, stress, the anxiety of letting his fellow bandmates down must have been insufferable, as was clear by him taking his own life on the eve of their US Tour.

There was a story when he kicked off in a violent epileptic fit in the back of their van when returning from a gig, and in this moment of confusion they restrained him as best as they could. We shouldn't forget, these were guys in their very early 20's, living in a desolute place with an even more desperate at times Ian Curtis. He left us with a troubled yet precious legacy..

Parallels with early Pink Floyd; no-one knew how to cope with Syd Barrett's mental state. After recruiting David Gilmour they tried to carry on as a five-piece but eventually on the way to gigs it got to the stage of "shall we pick up Syd?" "nah, let's not bother"...

Edited by Halmyre on Wednesday 21st October 09:56

[JZZ30]

rjg48 said:

Vox you say?

Loved Joy Division for a long time.

Unknown Pleasures and Closer on vinyl.

12 inch of Atmosphere etc..

Heart and Soul Box Set is all you need.

Substance was a collection of A sides and B sides.

I know it's a Joy Division thread but I can't let a Spacemen 3 post pass without comment. Superb band.

I bought a mint used copy of unknown pleasures for a few quid back in 1990. One of my prized possessions now.

[NAS]

El stovey said:

Found the movie on youtube

https://youtu.be/rBplFE7GIZc

Well worth watching for anyone that hasn’t seen it,

Thank you for the link!

[jakesmith]

Halmyre said:

rjfp1962 said:

jakesmith said:

He developed epilepsy later on, didn’t have it as a child. They used to get hold of and take any prescription meds they could get no matter what they were for.

His life was extremely bleak and he doesn’t come across as remotely likeable.

One former band member was dumped out of the band by being asked to check for a flat tyre on their van, they pulled over, he got out for a look and they drove off leaving him there! Generous.

Not sure that's exactly fair. Epilepsy, or more so, the treating of it wasn't very good back then, and I think he was bi-polar, so sometimes he was ok and other times he wasn't.. Depression, stress, the anxiety of letting his fellow bandmates down must have been insufferable, as was clear by him taking his own life on the eve of their US Tour.

There was a story when he kicked off in a violent epileptic fit in the back of their van when returning from a gig, and in this moment of confusion they restrained him as best as they could. We shouldn't forget, these were guys in their very early 20's, living in a desolute place with an even more desperate at times Ian Curtis. He left us with a troubled yet precious legacy..

Parallels with early Pink Floyd; no-one knew how to cope with Syd Barrett's mental state. After recruiting David Gilmour they tried to carry on as a five-piece but eventually on the way to gigs it got to the stage of "shall we pick up Syd?" "nah, let's not bother"...

Edited by Halmyre on Wednesday 21st October 09:56

Yes of course he was not well at all I have read 2 books about him, he was also constantly cheating on his wife who adored him & refusing to let her accompany him / the band so he could shag around etc.

[GC8]

Halmyre said:

I've never heard the original of New Dawn Fades but I think Moby's cover is used to great effect here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU60gUOTBVU

It is a love letter to Joy Division.

[P5BNij]

JZZ30 said:

rjg48 said:

Vox you say?

Loved Joy Division for a long time.

Unknown Pleasures and Closer on vinyl.

12 inch of Atmosphere etc..

Heart and Soul Box Set is all you need.

Substance was a collection of A sides and B sides.

I know it's a Joy Division thread but I can't let a Spacemen 3 post pass without comment. Superb band.

I bought a mint used copy of unknown pleasures for a few quid back in 1990. One of my prized possessions now.

Likewise with Spacemen 3, my 'local' band, I still find it slightly odd that's almost thirty years since they officially split up. I almost ran into the back of Pete Kember's car at a petrol station once around that time! I believe he now lives in America, he's still very busy recording various film soundtracks etc. His parents still live not far from me and his Dad own's a very nice E-Type.

Saw them live several times in and around Rugby, most of the venues are long gone now sadly. One of Pete's best box of tricks was an old Vox Echo unit which sounded fantastic in the small pub back rooms they played in, he often used it in conjunction with his Starstream MkXII....






Apologies for the off topic post but both bands are amongst my all time favourites

(I'm now getting pop up ads for Vox guitar copies in the £300 range....)

Edit : my copy of 'Perfect Prescription' is absolutely knackered!

Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 21st October 12:56

Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 21st October 12:57

[rjg48]

P5BNij said:

JZZ30 said:

rjg48 said:

Vox you say?

Loved Joy Division for a long time.

Unknown Pleasures and Closer on vinyl.

12 inch of Atmosphere etc..

Heart and Soul Box Set is all you need.

Substance was a collection of A sides and B sides.

I know it's a Joy Division thread but I can't let a Spacemen 3 post pass without comment. Superb band.

I bought a mint used copy of unknown pleasures for a few quid back in 1990. One of my prized possessions now.

Likewise with Spacemen 3, my 'local' band, I still find it slightly odd that's almost thirty years since they officially split up. I almost ran into the back of Pete Kember's car at a petrol station once around that time! I believe he now lives in America, he's still very busy recording various film soundtracks etc. His parents still live not far from me and his Dad own's a very nice E-Type.

Saw them live several times in and around Rugby, most of the venues are long gone now sadly. One of Pete's best box of tricks was an old Vox Echo unit which sounded fantastic in the small pub back rooms they played in, he often used it in conjunction with his Starstream MkXII....






Apologies for the off topic post but both bands are amongst my all time favourites

Mine too!

Too young to have seen Joy Division. Saw New Order in Brixton.

Spacemen 3 at Keele Uni and Reading Fest,

Sonic as Spectrum in a room above a Pub in Brighton a few years ago.

[Walter Sobchak]

GC8 said:

It is a love letter to Joy Division.

I like Mobys version of New Dawn Fades a lot.

I really like John Frusciantes acoustic cover too:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O3OPzOx3kkg

Both really good, as is the original too.

[bigandclever]

This might be of interest to some ... pre-orders for signed editions of Fast Forward: Volume 2 by Stephen Morris, £20 to you. Signed Volume 1 goes for about £25 so kerching!

https://www.waterstones.com/book/fast-forward/step...

[vixen1700]

bigandclever said:

This might be of interest to some ... pre-orders for signed editions of Fast Forward: Volume 2 by Stephen Morris, £20 to you. Signed Volume 1 goes for about £25 so kerching!

https://www.waterstones.com/book/fast-forward/step...

Quite enjoyed the first one (the acid story ) and got me to discover this obscure treat:

https://youtu.be/J4l9VQSPU7Y

[Penelope Stopit]

AJB88 said:

Only just seen this thread, JD are my favourite band. Closer is my favourite studio album, I also like their Warsaw stuff.

Visited Ians grave a few years ago, unfortunately its not the original stone as somebody has stolen the original one. Met Hooky a few times as well.

New Order live outside in Manchester 2 years ago was amazing!

A touch off topic but

Does anyone have a link to New Order live outside in Manchester? Would love to see it

As for Joy Division, have a digital file of Atmosphere, would have been worn out a long time ago if vinyl

[bigandclever]

Penelope Stopit said:

Does anyone have a link to New Order live outside in Manchester? Would love to see it

This at MIF? Tunes and a *lot* of chat, which is no doubt very interesting but you might be FFwding a bit

https://www.facebook.com/NewOrderOfficial/videos/n...

[AJB88]

only just remembered what the venue is called, Castlefield Bowl. Also saw Hacienda Classical there.

[Halmyre]

Saw New Order in Lucca last year (smug mode), double bill with Elbow. Did Atmospheres and Love Will Tear Us Apart as encores. Lady H was getting a bit restless during NO's set (as was I to be honest) but the end was worth it.

[rjfp1962]

Here is "Decades", unofficial video but very good nevertheless.. Glad to see the thread still going...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mKRjPHUNg

Corrected: See following post!

Edited by rjfp1962 on Monday 26th October 11:36

[towser]

rjfp1962 said:

Here is "Decades", unofficial video but very good nevertheless.. Glad to see the thread still going...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts

Ummm....that links to Michael Palin and the lumberjack song, much as I like Palin I was a little disappointed.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Am I the only one who felt a bit disappointed by New Order. Yes, they did some ok stuff, but imho, unlike Joy Division, they were nothing special