Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

Russia invades Ukraine. Volume 2

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FourWheelDrift

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84,403 posts

261 months

mikebradford

1,961 posts

122 months

Monday 28th February
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Pupp

11,342 posts

249 months

Monday 28th February
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Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?

Scabutz

4,397 posts

57 months

Monday 28th February
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
You're on the list now.

Novichok for you

Burwood

18,625 posts

223 months

Monday 28th February
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
You’re too kind

faa77

1,136 posts

48 months

Monday 28th February
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Damn, I can't edit my typos in the previous thread

faa77

1,136 posts

48 months

Monday 28th February
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Pupp said:
Putin’s a twunt

Am I doing this right?
Looting Poo-tin

king arthur

5,045 posts

238 months

Monday 28th February
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Dingu said:
f the kinds of things such as giving Ukraine aid, sanctioning Russia and condemning them pushes it to nuclear then it is inevitable anyway. It’s just a matter of when the line in the sand is drawn.
I'm saying those things won't be enough to stop the atrocities I fear we may be about to see.

HM-2

8,290 posts

146 months

Monday 28th February
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6pi said:
Derek Smith said:
It's similar in some ways. The USA did not want a missile base in Cuba, any more than Putin wants NATO bases in Ukraine. It was possible that the USA would invade Cuba to destroy the sites.

It was reported, after the event, that it came close to war. I see no reason to disbelieve that.
By installing missiles in Cuba, the USSR threatened directly the US at a time were ICBMs weren't a thing yet, thus breaking the balance between the two superpowers.

NATO bases in Ukraine would be more of an inconvenience (makes it a bit more difficult to invade your neighbour) rather than a real threat to Russia (it's a defensive alliance, democracies are not very likely to start a war for no reason and Russia has a few nukes anyway).

So I'd say for now this is not as bad.
It's nowhere near comparable.

Unlike Russia, NATO has almost no nuclear weapons deployed to Eastern Europe. They've got a handful of B61s in Turkey and the Netherlands. That's pretty much it by way of tactical weapons. Russia has nuclear armed ballistic missiles in Kaliningrad, plus is about to deploy more to Belarus.

The age of land launched missiles being relevant has passed anyway. Submarines posted who knows where are a vastly better deterrent than easy to spot land based missiles. In the West we don't really have many tactical nuclear weapons because we acknowledge any exchange will go strategic immediately. Why bother?

MiseryStreak

2,928 posts

184 months

Monday 28th February
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I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.

rigga

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178 months

Monday 28th February
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vonuber

16,439 posts

142 months

Monday 28th February
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So Russia has the GDP of Italy and a hugely corrupt system siphoning off billions, yet apparently they have a massive and well equipped military?
A military they have decided to use with one hand behind their back? Why?

joshcowin

5,767 posts

153 months

Monday 28th February
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MiseryStreak said:
I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.
Unfortunately I think you will be right! I really really hope it stops ASAP however

Charlie1986

1,873 posts

112 months

Monday 28th February
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Apparently from Twitter there is no agreement in the talks

👉 According to the available information, we do not believe that there will be a positive result of the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. Signals indicate that Russian forces are preparing operations to encircle major urban centers, including Kyiv.

From here https://twitter.com/remilitari?s=11

ruggedscotty

4,690 posts

186 months

Monday 28th February
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MiseryStreak said:
I wonder how many volumes this will run to? Quite a few I imagine.
in for the long haul here....

be quite a few volumes... of course... hope that the big red button isnt pushed or there wont be many volumes

J210

3,728 posts

160 months

Monday 28th February
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All Mobile operators in Ukraine have banned Russian calls from Russian sims inside Ukraine

littlebasher

3,459 posts

148 months

Monday 28th February
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Can't help thinking that backing Putin into a corner is not going to end well.

Whole situation starting to unnerve me now, hopefully someone will come up with a means to de-escalate the situation before Putin and our leaders sleepwalk us into a war.

bloomen

5,078 posts

136 months

Monday 28th February
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This is quite eerily prescient so far from Alexander Nevzorov, a journo, saint and former Russian MP, from last April - https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3qlxu/a...

The translation seems to broadly match the Youtube auto translation.

xu5

376 posts

134 months

Monday 28th February
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What of Ukrainians application to EU? Surely the EU would be mad not to want easy trade with Ukrainians resources? Or would they not want the 'agro'?

P. ONeill

157 posts

29 months

Monday 28th February
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Luckily Ukraine is not a third world country, if it wasn't it could be ignored like Syria, Afghanistan, Palestine, Yemen etc.