Roger Waters - is he really that idiotic?

Roger Waters - is he really that idiotic?

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rustyuk

4,568 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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I've listened to the Podcast and didn't hear much I disagree with to be honest.




QJumper

2,709 posts

25 months

Thursday 9th February 2023
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Pitre said:
anonymoususer said:
Crikey !

https://twitter.com/PollySamson/status/16225137626...

He was told by the novelist Polly Samson via Twitter that you are anti-Semitic to your rotten core you are also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hyocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac
Wow. Say it like it is Polly, don't hold back!
I'm not sure that calling someone anti semitic for opposing the actions of a country is saying anything like it is. Had she called him anti Zionist, that would have been more accurate, and make her seem less of a hyperbolic frother. He may even be a misogynist, but her initial conflation tempts one to assume he might just have said something she disagrees with.

It's possible he's a bit of a drug addled tit, and her accusations may be true, but people who bandy about pejorative terms without backing them up, simply to slur someone, come across as a bit disingenuous to me. Like I said, she may be right, in which case she'd be better served by learning how to express herself more coherently.

James6112

4,189 posts

27 months

Saturday 11th February 2023
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Douglas Quaid said:
To be fair a bbc article representing their version of his opinion is not really going to give anyone an accurate representation. I’d always heard reports he is a tit, but I listened to a podcast where he explained his thoughts and he articulated them in a totally different way to these articles and actually seemed a pretty reasonable fellow.

Always better to hear it from the horses mouth instead of forming an opinion from a headline.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4iCWReCqpscoTbCCS...
Lazy BBC bashing
Google it , numerous news outlet reported in the same manner.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 12th February 2023
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He seems to be stuck in the mode of angry teenager, always lashing out, moody and determined to be the one who can see through the bs that his elders are blind to. Except that he’s a pensioner and really should have grown up.

His letters are arch whatabouttery and miss the very simple but crucial point: Putin is not someone who you can negotiate with, except from a position of strength. He’s demonstrated that time and again. It takes a lot to unite Europe but an egotistical madman with a delusional self belief did it.

Oh and what Blair and Bush did or didn’t do in Iraq, or America’s support of Israel, or Kosovo etc etc all have sweet FA to do with any assessment of the right course of action over Ukraine.


Agree about Rick Wright by the way - genius. Also Nick Mason is criminally underrated as a ‘musical’ drummer, so many others would have just smothered Floyd’s tracks with unnecessary frippery.

Yahonza

1,545 posts

29 months

Sunday 12th February 2023
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Same here - arguably Rick Wright gave Pink Floyd their sound and that ambience that they did so well.


Edited by Yahonza on Sunday 12th February 18:35


Edited by Yahonza on Sunday 12th February 18:35

PinkTornado

795 posts

61 months

Tuesday 14th February 2023
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Waters is an appalling, arrogant p***k. You can argue about his politics all day long, but to put down and totally dismiss his fellow bandmates the way he has done recently is lower than low- especially considering that one of those band mates is now deceased.


anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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I wouldn't question the talent Roger Waters has as a musician or say that all of his opinions are deluded or just plain wrong, however as others have noted in this thread he falls into the trap of believing his wealth and fame somehow makes his opinions more valid and informed than those which us mere mortals could offer.

I don't have an issue with people who use their celebrity status to increase the profile of a worthwhile charity but the lessons on politics and economics from musos and actors sometimes manage the novel feat of being both dreary and amusing. The immensely rich and even more immensely hypocritical Bono scored a huge tragicomic hit by hectoring world leaders to splash the cash and reduce world poverty.

Any such splurging will in reality only be paid for by tax rises for the little people yet Bono saw no problem or conflict when a sizeable chunk of his own untold millions was redirected to the Netherlands to avoid the aforesaid tax. The U2 warbler was reportedly shocked when an Irish journalist robustly took him to task for his say one thing do another approach to money, which reminds me of an earlier post about wealthy musicians and a God complex.

Benedict Cumberbatch is another celeb who appears to have zero self-awareness when you consider his endeavours to 'enlighten' the masses. Cumberbatch has described his name as resembling the sound of a fart in a bath, something which could also describe the content of his lectures to the plebs.

Martin Freeman once said actors don't know everything, as if anyone looks to luvvies for a cure to the world's ills. An adult male or female who pretends to be someone else for a living and who are often awash with unhealthy doses of ego and pretentiousness are surely amongst one of the last groups in society whose opinion should be sought on anything other than how to upstage co-workers or blag a fortune via supermarket adverts.

I watched an old interview with Dave Gilmour recently and I could imagine Waters grimacing if he saw Dave saying life was so much better in Pink Floyd without "old grumpychops". Unfortunately, Roger takes it way beyond the Victor Meldrew Factor.

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Douglas Quaid

2,269 posts

84 months

Friday 17th February 2023
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James6112 said:
Douglas Quaid said:
To be fair a bbc article representing their version of his opinion is not really going to give anyone an accurate representation. I’d always heard reports he is a tit, but I listened to a podcast where he explained his thoughts and he articulated them in a totally different way to these articles and actually seemed a pretty reasonable fellow.

Always better to hear it from the horses mouth instead of forming an opinion from a headline.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4iCWReCqpscoTbCCS...
Lazy BBC bashing
Google it , numerous news outlet reported in the same manner.
I don’t care what other news outlets are reporting, even if they are all saying the same or similar to the bbc article. What is far more important is what the man himself says as he is the one who will say what he actually thinks and believes, rather than reading an article with their version of what they think he thinks.

If you want to hear his actual views, listen to the podcast and hear what he has to say. If you don’t want to do that then you’re not really that well qualified to comment.

Polly Grigora

11,209 posts

108 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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I can't come to terms with and never will in attempting to understand how people are so mislead by the media

This world that we live in has gone badly wrong

DodgyGeezer

Original Poster:

40,152 posts

189 months

Monday 27th February 2023
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looks like RW's up-coming Frankfurt gig has been cancelled by Frankfurt city council due to antisemitism...

anonymoususer

5,717 posts

47 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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Firtst snippet of his reworked Dark Side Of The Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDNQYhNyGQ&ab...

gazza285

9,779 posts

207 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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anonymoususer said:
Firtst snippet of his reworked Dark Side Of The Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDNQYhNyGQ&ab...
Well it gives him something to do.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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anonymoususer said:
Firtst snippet of his reworked Dark Side Of The Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDNQYhNyGQ&ab...
On the whole, and call me Mr Picky, I prefer the vocals done by someone who can sing.

TonyRPH

12,963 posts

167 months

Friday 3rd March 2023
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Dave Gilmour has nothing to fear, that's for sure.

franki68

10,330 posts

220 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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His vocals are terrible .

Southernjock

23 posts

49 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/16/roge...

Taking legal action by the looks of it. Can't blame him either.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Spleen said:
I did listen to a few of his albums post Pink Floyd and although i seem to recall there were a few tracks worthy of a listen again, there was nothing memorable. Happens a lot though, bands tend to be greater than the sum of their parts. Mind you, Sting did alright.
Radio Kaos is a fine concept album

DodgyGeezer

Original Poster:

40,152 posts

189 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Southernjock said:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/16/roge...

Taking legal action by the looks of it. Can't blame him either.
conversely I hope this ruins him

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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DodgyGeezer said:
Southernjock said:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/16/roge...

Taking legal action by the looks of it. Can't blame him either.
conversely I hope this ruins him
Ironic, Germany calling people out for being anti semitic…

smn159

12,444 posts

216 months

Friday 17th March 2023
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Got tickets to see his show at The O2 this year. Looking forward to it.