for fans of heavy music

for fans of heavy music

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tuscaneer

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7,738 posts

224 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
Well I never....This stuff makes Motorhead sound tame, then again I've only heard a few of their tracks
I thank you both for educating me and now know that I have no heavy music in my collection. I agree, heavy music sure is a one off
Is this heavy music best listened to when under the influence of something?

Edited...I typed heavy metal in one sentence


Edited by Penelope Stopit on Wednesday 12th December 16:41
the "heavy music" versus "heavy metal" debate happened in april 2010 as welllaugh.....i came to the conclusion i wasn't a "heavy metal" fan at all, rather someone with a bit of a bent for big weighty music to juxtapose my other musical leanings ( which range from depeche mode's beautifully constructed but slightly dark stuff to soundtrack composers like hanz zimmer and guys like jason swinscoe who's "cinematic orchestra" i have been obsessed with since their very first release.....

don't get me wrong, i love some old school bands like iron maiden and am old enough to have got the "thrash" bug in the late 80s when the big 4 ( metallica,megadeth,slayer and anthrax) were in the ascension.....

there have been a lot of milestone albums over the years from a lot of bands from various genres of "heavy" music which covers such a broad spectrum that leads me neatly to your other question.......after the first couple of pages of the thread and the way it was going it was quickly apparent to me that it was a good meeting place for people to share links to bands they were interested in...from me at one end right through to the lads who were listening to stuff i found incomprehensible ....but it's all good and i knew pretty quickly it was going to run on for a good while....maybe not a few months away from 9 years though!!eekbiggrin

tuscaneer

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7,738 posts

224 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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OldSkoolRS said:
tuscaneer said:
it certainly is a curious one, and something that was debated 8 years ago(!!) at length when finding tesseract led me to start this very thread.........
Should probably put this in the 'tenuous links to famous people' (or whatever) thread, but I was chatting to a young lad outside the rehearsal studios we used to go to. He directed me to the studio where my mates were already setting up, so I thanked him and mentioned to my mates about the 'nice young lad'. Apparently he was Jay from Tesseract...I'd just assumed he was another amateur musician like us having a jam.

Later on we could barely hear our band above them in the next studio. I guess that's a good definition of 'heavy' too. smile
i think jay is one of the best drummers out there at the minute and he seems like a cool bloke ( linked and chatted on instagram)...in fact every member of the band brings something cool to their stuff..... acle khaney is my guy though, i found his old band after getting into tesseract and if you are liking that type of flavour you need to hear "the hidden words" by "fellsilent"....an absolute stonker of an album....kind of a prototype tesseract with a very "sikth" feeling to it...

i'm recording an album starting in january ( 3 sessions of 3 songs over a month or so) and i've already emailed khaney (he is the owner of 4D studios) for his services to master it....not that we sound anything like tesseract, pretty far from it actually...but i just love the space and width he manages to create in their stuff.

tuscaneer

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Thursday 13th December 2018
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Lentilist said:
tuscaneer said:
it certainly is a curious one, and something that was debated 8 years ago(!!) at length when finding tesseract led me to start this very thread.........saw them in manchester a couple of weeks ago and can concluded they are pretty much the best live band i have ever seen by the way(and it's a long list!!)....

anyway, i always found that really fast stuff( blast beats and so on) just doesn't sound "heavy" as there is no room for the music to breathe and sit down....for me "heavy" is more to do with the physical weight of sound, low and wide is a prerequisite to my ears.
Really fast stuff has a place, but there needs to be variation, otherwise it just blurs into one. The really extreme slam/brutal death metal (where all the band names end in "...ectomy") fails to engage by virtue of being so OTT (not to mention usually horribly sexist both visually and lyrically), and I find a lot of the ultra-techy death metal fails to click(track) unless there's something to contrast the blasting and guitarsturbation. Oddly, I don't get the same with the very slow stuff, as a lot of it uses very subtle variation and layering to amidst the repetition. Ufomammut's "Idolum" and Bongripper's "Satan Worshipping Doom" are fantastic examples of a slow records that never get boring for me. I'm also an absolute sucker for dissonant and/or icy cold Black Metal riffs, and that's probably the genre I spend most of my time exploring these days.

Still not really "clicked" with Tesseract, although a few more recent discoveries have seen me starting to enjoy that kind of thing a bit more - more in the post-hardcore / metalcore vein, but some of that can also get quite proggy. Wars are well worth a listen.
cool, i'll check them out.. not come across them before....i love fast stuff when it's rhythmically as tight as a duck's arse ...especially when it drops out and slows right down but yeah, you need the contrast or it's all just white noise...

the ultra chaotic stuff, while very technical in a lot of cases just leaves me cold. i just can't get on with dillinger escape plan....

but that side of things does throw up a few gems however, i have got everything that "the bled" ever recorded for instance...absolute cracker of a band that rode the line perfectly..

i've noticed recently that what i think of as post hardcore really isn't any more.....a lot of bands that sound like metalcore to me refer to themselves as post hardcore but in reality are far more "metal" than "hardcore"...

post hardcore in my eyes is defined by the wave of bands that emerges after hardcore died down in the late 80s early 90s....quintessentially defined with the arrival of quicksand's debut ep in 1990...then when "slip" dropped in '92 everything changed.

that album , along with meantime by helmet, is probably the biggest single influence on the way i play guitar to this day...


as to the slow stuff, i've got a real soft spot for "russian circles"....little subtle changes through a 6 or 7 minute affair make the songs fly past as you get sucked in and washed over with their hypnotic approach.

tuscaneer

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7,738 posts

224 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Lentilist said:
Enjoying a bit of this at the moment:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUWG6Xw_Wz8

I'd define that as heavy, even though tonally it's quite mild - just has an atmosphere of unease about it.
i was alright there til it all kicked off and that bloke started barking his head offlaugh

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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tuscaneer said:
Lentilist said:
Enjoying a bit of this at the moment:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUWG6Xw_Wz8

I'd define that as heavy, even though tonally it's quite mild - just has an atmosphere of unease about it.
i was alright there til it all kicked off and that bloke started barking his head offlaugh
Perhaps there was someone at the door?

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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tuscaneer said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Will someone kindly explain what heavy music is, is there possibly a weight difference of the audio files per Mb?
this. at 45 seconds.....i think that about sums up "heavy music" biggrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EimR3u9vvMg
That whole album laugh

Heavy is certainly difficult. But yeah, it's the weight of the sound more than anything. You can even step back from metal into rock and still be heavier than a lot of "metal" bands. Chevelle are a case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0fCzvAdR3E


tuscaneer

Original Poster:

7,738 posts

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Thursday 13th December 2018
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Swervin_Mervin said:
tuscaneer said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Will someone kindly explain what heavy music is, is there possibly a weight difference of the audio files per Mb?
this. at 45 seconds.....i think that about sums up "heavy music" biggrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EimR3u9vvMg
That whole album laugh

Heavy is certainly difficult. But yeah, it's the weight of the sound more than anything. You can even step back from metal into rock and still be heavier than a lot of "metal" bands. Chevelle are a case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0fCzvAdR3E
deftones heavy as fk manbiggrin


i don't actually mind chevelle dude...and yeah, pretty much spot on.

another example of this is kerbdog. ridiculously heavy but so catchy it makes me wanna weep....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtzRsabWwXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OupA5wt3IKQ

tuscaneer

Original Poster:

7,738 posts

224 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Digga said:
tuscaneer said:
Lentilist said:
Enjoying a bit of this at the moment:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUWG6Xw_Wz8

I'd define that as heavy, even though tonally it's quite mild - just has an atmosphere of unease about it.
i was alright there til it all kicked off and that bloke started barking his head offlaugh
Perhaps there was someone at the door?
rofl

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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tuscaneer said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
tuscaneer said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Will someone kindly explain what heavy music is, is there possibly a weight difference of the audio files per Mb?
this. at 45 seconds.....i think that about sums up "heavy music" biggrin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EimR3u9vvMg
That whole album laugh

Heavy is certainly difficult. But yeah, it's the weight of the sound more than anything. You can even step back from metal into rock and still be heavier than a lot of "metal" bands. Chevelle are a case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0fCzvAdR3E
deftones heavy as fk manbiggrin


i don't actually mind chevelle dude...and yeah, pretty much spot on.

another example of this is kerbdog. ridiculously heavy but so catchy it makes me wanna weep....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtzRsabWwXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OupA5wt3IKQ
I'll check them out later.

At the lightest end of the scale in terms of my favourites are Middle Class Rut. A 2-piece that pre-date Royal Blood by some time but they're a lot more full on. Less weight to the sound than I'd normally go for but they make up for it in attitude. Sean Stockham lamps the cr4p out of his drums, and some of the tracks clearly have bass tracks which helps.

A nice insistent driving beat adds to it-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTCVWc0EP5k

That reminds me, they've got some new material out for the first time in years and I need to check it out.

Benni

3,510 posts

210 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Found THAL on the Bong Druid´s channel :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvYBheGPAyo

Quite heavy, but still rockin´ , the voice is Clutch-ish and, MAAAAN, those bass lines.

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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Benni said:
Found THAL on the Bong Druid´s channel :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvYBheGPAyo

Quite heavy, but still rockin´ , the voice is Clutch-ish and, MAAAAN, those bass lines.
Nice. Love a bit of dirty stoner metal

Edited by Swervin_Mervin on Thursday 13th December 17:21

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

108 months

Thursday 13th December 2018
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tuscaneer said:
the "heavy music" versus "heavy metal" debate happened in april 2010 as welllaugh.....i came to the conclusion i wasn't a "heavy metal" fan at all, rather someone with a bit of a bent for big weighty music to juxtapose my other musical leanings ( which range from depeche mode's beautifully constructed but slightly dark stuff to soundtrack composers like hanz zimmer and guys like jason swinscoe who's "cinematic orchestra" i have been obsessed with since their very first release.....

don't get me wrong, i love some old school bands like iron maiden and am old enough to have got the "thrash" bug in the late 80s when the big 4 ( metallica,megadeth,slayer and anthrax) were in the ascension.....

there have been a lot of milestone albums over the years from a lot of bands from various genres of "heavy" music which covers such a broad spectrum that leads me neatly to your other question.......after the first couple of pages of the thread and the way it was going it was quickly apparent to me that it was a good meeting place for people to share links to bands they were interested in...from me at one end right through to the lads who were listening to stuff i found incomprehensible ....but it's all good and i knew pretty quickly it was going to run on for a good while....maybe not a few months away from 9 years though!!eekbiggrin
I have now listened to some of the music links recently posted here and have found that this style of music is not for me
Before I asked the question here in this topic "What is heavy music" I really did expect it to be all about heavy metal, I wasn't even close, this stuff is definitely of a unique style
We all have different tastes in music yet most of us very likely have one thing in common, that being we don't get anything out of listening to The Spice Girls

tuscaneer - Thank you for your in depth post and I hope I am still around in 8 years time to witness you still posting here in a very popular part of the PH forum
Thank you to all others for the input

This heavy music is too heavy for me, a person needs to be real strong to listen to this stuff

Cheers

tuscaneer

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7,738 posts

224 months

Friday 14th December 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
I have now listened to some of the music links recently posted here and have found that this style of music is not for me
Before I asked the question here in this topic "What is heavy music" I really did expect it to be all about heavy metal, I wasn't even close, this stuff is definitely of a unique style
We all have different tastes in music yet most of us very likely have one thing in common, that being we don't get anything out of listening to The Spice Girls

tuscaneer - Thank you for your in depth post and I hope I am still around in 8 years time to witness you still posting here in a very popular part of the PH forum
Thank you to all others for the input

This heavy music is too heavy for me, a person needs to be real strong to listen to this stuff

Cheers
no worries, always a pleasure to discuss this stuffbeer

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th December 2018
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Keeping it festive...

Below the Sun

Sort of thing I'd need to spend some dedicated listening time with, but liking it so far. Some big atmosphere in there.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 12th January 2019
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An assortment of Black Metal to kick off the new year.

Spectral Wound
Owl's Blood
Moenen of Xebeth
Ecloss

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 14th January 2019
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Cool. My local pub is putting on a bunch of all-dayers and festivals this summer, and in amongst the more regional and local stuff...Vader! As in, well, Vader. Be rude not to.

seefarr

1,461 posts

185 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Lentilist said:
Cool. My local pub is putting on a bunch of all-dayers and festivals this summer, and in amongst the more regional and local stuff...Vader! As in, well, Vader. Be rude not to.
I've got this mental image of an old country pub in summer, girls in floppy hats drinking Pimms, Morris dancers and Polish death metal in the corner.

seefarr

1,461 posts

185 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Benni said:
Found THAL on the Bong Druid´s channel :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvYBheGPAyo

Quite heavy, but still rockin´ , the voice is Clutch-ish and, MAAAAN, those bass lines.
Nice.

I've found MonoLord recently. Quite a bit more doomy than the above, but they've got the FILTHIEST fuzztacular guitar tone on the planet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCc901E02eY

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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seefarr said:
Lentilist said:
Cool. My local pub is putting on a bunch of all-dayers and festivals this summer, and in amongst the more regional and local stuff...Vader! As in, well, Vader. Be rude not to.
I've got this mental image of an old country pub in summer, girls in floppy hats drinking Pimms, Morris dancers and Polish death metal in the corner.
All sounds rather Enid Blyton - "Five Go Down the Front for Vader".

Not quite that sort of pub, as caters for what I guess you'd call the local "alternative" crowd (goth, geeks, poets, open mic stuff and, well, me) and already hosts plenty of what most people would label "extreme" music (plenty of metalcore, post-hardcore and stoner/alt-rock), but definite tip of the hat to the promoters. Big Polish contingent locally, which may well have played a part, but even so, it's Vader playing in my local! That's like going out for a quiet pint and finding Malevolent Creation in the back room!

seefarr said:
Nice.

I've found MonoLord recently. Quite a bit more doomy than the above, but they've got the FILTHIEST fuzztacular guitar tone on the planet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCc901E02eY
That is a suitably delicious tone.

You might enjoy Monolithian?

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 17th January 00:20

Heartworm

1,922 posts

160 months

Thursday 17th January 2019
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Lentilist said:
Cool. My local pub is putting on a bunch of all-dayers and festivals this summer, and in amongst the more regional and local stuff...Vader! As in, well, Vader. Be rude not to.
Where would this be, love a bit of Vader.