AT Tyres - To BFG or not to BFG
Discussion
I have BFGs KO2 on my VW LT4x4 and Hiace 4x4, Yoko Geolandars GO15 on the Nomad, Skoda Yeti and the MR2 and Toyo Open Country on the Raptor.
The Geolandars are simply amazing and I would recommend them to anyone. They are more road biased than BFGs and might not look as "offroady" but they are a fantastic tyre.
The Geolandars are simply amazing and I would recommend them to anyone. They are more road biased than BFGs and might not look as "offroady" but they are a fantastic tyre.
Probably easier to bump this than start afresh.
This is Fluffy - a very tidy Landcruiser 80.
Spends most of the time on smooth tarmac, but needs to be winterproof. Current tyres are ecosavers and michelins (!) and need to go.
BFGs are just too damn expensive and probably OTT as I just wouldn't make use of their capabilities. But I admit they'd look cool.
Yoko G015 are about £500/4. Grabber AT and Cooper Discoverer aren't available in this size.
So I'm looking at true winter tyres rather than A/Ts - Yokohama W.Drive 905 (C/C rated) are winter-spec, extra load (114), decent brand... and cheap - under £350 for a set...
Any experience of the W.Drives on a big chunky 4x4?
This is Fluffy - a very tidy Landcruiser 80.
Spends most of the time on smooth tarmac, but needs to be winterproof. Current tyres are ecosavers and michelins (!) and need to go.
BFGs are just too damn expensive and probably OTT as I just wouldn't make use of their capabilities. But I admit they'd look cool.
Yoko G015 are about £500/4. Grabber AT and Cooper Discoverer aren't available in this size.
So I'm looking at true winter tyres rather than A/Ts - Yokohama W.Drive 905 (C/C rated) are winter-spec, extra load (114), decent brand... and cheap - under £350 for a set...
Any experience of the W.Drives on a big chunky 4x4?
popeyewhite said:
RogerDodger said:
I have AT2s on my disco 3 and they are superb in mud, amazed me in the snow last week (acted like it wasn't there), and are civilised on the motorway.
I'm curious about the comment of at tyres clogging with snow. An autocar video I saw explained that snow tyres are supposed to clog as nothing sticks better to snow than......snow
I was tackling drifts, the thick ice covering we had in Somerset on the Saturday, stretches of our black ice. On all of it I could stop well and accelerate well. Only the centre diff locked occasionally, under hard load. Rear locker never came on.
Yes the GG AT2s are very good in snow. I've been running Yokohama Geolandar ATs this winter in the High Peak. M+S rated and also have the mountain/snowflake symbol to denote a winter tyre. In my opinion even better than the GG, but slightly noisier.I'm curious about the comment of at tyres clogging with snow. An autocar video I saw explained that snow tyres are supposed to clog as nothing sticks better to snow than......snow
I was tackling drifts, the thick ice covering we had in Somerset on the Saturday, stretches of our black ice. On all of it I could stop well and accelerate well. Only the centre diff locked occasionally, under hard load. Rear locker never came on.
andy43 said:
Probably easier to bump this than start afresh.
This is Fluffy - a very tidy Landcruiser 80.
Spends most of the time on smooth tarmac, but needs to be winterproof. Current tyres are ecosavers and michelins (!) and need to go.
BFGs are just too damn expensive and probably OTT as I just wouldn't make use of their capabilities. But I admit they'd look cool.
Yoko G015 are about £500/4. Grabber AT and Cooper Discoverer aren't available in this size.
So I'm looking at true winter tyres rather than A/Ts - Yokohama W.Drive 905 (C/C rated) are winter-spec, extra load (114), decent brand... and cheap - under £350 for a set...
Any experience of the W.Drives on a big chunky 4x4?
I don't know what size you use but I've been very impressed with Goodyear Ultragrip Performance SUV on my Disco4. I even did an off road competition and got as far on the trial section as any other LWB landy, which was pretty gobsmacking.This is Fluffy - a very tidy Landcruiser 80.
Spends most of the time on smooth tarmac, but needs to be winterproof. Current tyres are ecosavers and michelins (!) and need to go.
BFGs are just too damn expensive and probably OTT as I just wouldn't make use of their capabilities. But I admit they'd look cool.
Yoko G015 are about £500/4. Grabber AT and Cooper Discoverer aren't available in this size.
So I'm looking at true winter tyres rather than A/Ts - Yokohama W.Drive 905 (C/C rated) are winter-spec, extra load (114), decent brand... and cheap - under £350 for a set...
Any experience of the W.Drives on a big chunky 4x4?
Thanks for the reply - I'm finding these tyre sizes are a PITA - Goodyear don't do those either.
Yokohama say the wdrive is the correct load rating etc, so I think I'll give them a shot.
Come back around february time to see my 'Landcruiser recovered by BMW 1 series from ankle deep slush' thread...
Yokohama say the wdrive is the correct load rating etc, so I think I'll give them a shot.
Come back around february time to see my 'Landcruiser recovered by BMW 1 series from ankle deep slush' thread...
What size? Is there nothing close that would do? Ie up or down 10mm on width.....aaaand scrub that! Those Goodyears do get good reviews, but I'd like to keep to the OEM tyre size.
Current tyres feel very sloppy - weak sidewalls perhaps? W.drive are car-biased rather than 4x4ish so I was thinking they may be just as loose. Local 4x4 garage said something more offroad-y would definitely stiffen things up a bit.
Really I think I should go for Generals, just for the name - you can't pass up the chance to have the word 'GRABBER' in big white letters on your Tonka toy tyres - but wrong size and probably OTT tbh.
So after looking about I found some Yoko G015 (positive High Peak comments further up this thread - perfect!) on ebay in the right size for a very good price - 380/set. They also appear to be coming from Italy... so I will see what happens next.
G015 were previously known as AT-S I think - generally decent reviews, but this pro test mentions poor ride, poor snow/wet braking and economy, but look closer and they're comparing A/T tyres with winter car tyres - duh.
Bit more road biased than GG or BFG but the G015 still look 4x4 chunky. Which is important
Current tyres feel very sloppy - weak sidewalls perhaps? W.drive are car-biased rather than 4x4ish so I was thinking they may be just as loose. Local 4x4 garage said something more offroad-y would definitely stiffen things up a bit.
Really I think I should go for Generals, just for the name - you can't pass up the chance to have the word 'GRABBER' in big white letters on your Tonka toy tyres - but wrong size and probably OTT tbh.
So after looking about I found some Yoko G015 (positive High Peak comments further up this thread - perfect!) on ebay in the right size for a very good price - 380/set. They also appear to be coming from Italy... so I will see what happens next.
G015 were previously known as AT-S I think - generally decent reviews, but this pro test mentions poor ride, poor snow/wet braking and economy, but look closer and they're comparing A/T tyres with winter car tyres - duh.
Bit more road biased than GG or BFG but the G015 still look 4x4 chunky. Which is important
Edited by andy43 on Tuesday 18th September 08:45
Dad used to run AT2's on his Jimny... I always ran full mud tyres on mine as my Jimny spent most of its life axel deep in mud !
The AT2,s were great for road, grass and snow.
And with 20mm spacers to give the Jimny a widertrack, the on road handling was superb. Last set lasted 45,000 !!
The AT2,s were great for road, grass and snow.
And with 20mm spacers to give the Jimny a widertrack, the on road handling was superb. Last set lasted 45,000 !!
Well, the weather is wintering up. I went through my first sleet with the GG AT3s. I must say, their cornering grip is great even in crap conditions, however, whilst I haven't noticed it well braking, they do like to let loose a bit with heavy acceleration from low speed/stationary, that being said I know the old KOs used to do the same in my work pickup when unladen.
Happy so far with the G015 Geolandars too - not had any snow yet but road-wise they definitely have stiffer all terrain sidewalls than the previous road tyres - doesn't feel like it's going to roll over to get it's tummy rubbed on corners.
Diff locks all working, low range available.. come on snow! I'm ready
Diff locks all working, low range available.. come on snow! I'm ready
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