My shortlist - comments pls

My shortlist - comments pls

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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On my shortlist are these ( in no particular order ), is there an outright winner or loser I should discard amongst them lads? Cheers

Nissan Xtrail T31

Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual

Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5

Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon

Kia Sorento








normalbloke

7,401 posts

218 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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What are you trying to win or avoid losing?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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Sorry; I would like to know from a reliability point of view please? Cheers

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

141 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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For reliability out of that list the Forester will probably be top, followed by the others with the Discovery least reliable by quite a large margin.

The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?

For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.

camel_landy

4,863 posts

182 months

Sunday 10th January 2021
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Like mentioned in another thread, it's also going to depend on how well they have been maintained... Especially if over 10yrs old!

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Monday 11th January 2021
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Thanks lads, it's the ground clearance I need that's why Disco is on shortlist and Rav4/CRV doesn't seem to me to be as high as the rest. The Forester is just about the bear minimum to be honest

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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snowandrocks said:
For reliability out of that list the Forester will probably be top, followed by the others with the Discovery least reliable by quite a large margin.

The Discovery is quite a bit more of a heavy duty 4x4 than the others though so it depends what you're going to use it for?

For light duty stuff, a RAV4 is about as reliable as it gets, especially in manual petrol form but won't be up to heavy towing like a proper 4x4. Forester shouldn't be too far behind and are pretty capable with the low box and permanent 4x4.
I know were you are coming from, but my Subaru (Impreza) cost way more to maintain than any Land Rover product I've had.

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Was it a turbo nutter version?

If not you must have been pretty unlucky as, apart from maybe a petrol Toyota or Honda, n/a Subaru are typically as reliable as it gets. There's loads of neglected old Foresters and Legacys happily rumbling around here providing faithful service.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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snowandrocks said:
Was it a turbo nutter version?

If not you must have been pretty unlucky as, apart from maybe a petrol Toyota or Honda, n/a Subaru are typically as reliable as it gets. There's loads of neglected old Foresters and Legacys happily rumbling around here providing faithful service.
I'm not knocking them. We have owned Honda's and Toyota's. Also others in the family have had such marques. They have all had issues and been no more real world reliable than Land Rovers, of which we've probably had about 50 examples.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,071 posts

54 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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As a previous x trail owner... I wouldn't piss on one if it was on fire.

Utterly utterly unreliable.

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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300bhp/ton said:
I'm not knocking them. We have owned Honda's and Toyota's. Also others in the family have had such marques. They have all had issues and been no more real world reliable than Land Rovers, of which we've probably had about 50 examples.
Fair enough although my experience is (very) different but I guess the OP can judge LR's reputation for appalling reliability and build quality for himself.

Total loss

2,138 posts

226 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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Ruled out the Jeep Grand Cherokee?
In stock form its better off road than Discos & Defenders & is nicely equipped even in base form.

MorganP104

2,605 posts

129 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).

Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon

Kia Sorento

Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual

Nissan Xtrail T31

Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5

What does everyone else think?

stevemcs

8,592 posts

92 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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I'd avoid the Jeep with the Merc V6 engine though, While Subarus can be reliable when they break they are more expensive to fix. I'd still be going Freelander 2.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).

Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon

Kia Sorento

Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual

Nissan Xtrail T31

Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5

What does everyone else think?
I think it is nonsense tbh. Used cars vary and you can get good and bad of any make.

Also something like a Hyundai probably has way less kit and ability. So may have just as many issues per 100 parts, but just uses less parts, if you know what I mean.

Also think about parts supply and people to fix. As a rule Land Rover parts a cheap and easy to get, with loads of specialists. While some other imported vehicles might have big backorders or delivery times for some parts and no specialists.


e.g.

What would be worse:


a) Land Rover breaks down 2 times for 5 days off the road total

b) other make breaks down once and is off the road for 6 weeks waiting for parts?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).

Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon

Kia Sorento

Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual

Nissan Xtrail T31

Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5

What does everyone else think?
I think Forester may rank a tad higher but I'm no expert

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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300bhp/ton said:
I think it is nonsense tbh. Used cars vary and you can get good and bad of any make.

Also something like a Hyundai probably has way less kit and ability. So may have just as many issues per 100 parts, but just uses less parts, if you know what I mean.

Also think about parts supply and people to fix. As a rule Land Rover parts a cheap and easy to get, with loads of specialists. While some other imported vehicles might have big backorders or delivery times for some parts and no specialists.


e.g.

What would be worse:


a) Land Rover breaks down 2 times for 5 days off the road total

b) other make breaks down once and is off the road for 6 weeks waiting for parts?
I think you're missing the point by a country mile.

Yes you can get good or bad in ANY make. However reliability surveys will usually give you a good guide to what generally tends to be reliable, and what doesnt. Whilst I have a strong like for LR products I have never ever seen them top of any Reliability Survey. (Well, maybe once before I realised the list was in reverse order)

In terms of parts availability none of the brands mentioned are particularly rare so I doubt the OP would be left high and dry whilst Hyundai source a specialist part for him.

Countdown

39,689 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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MorganP104 said:
Just for fun (and to spark a bit of debate), I've put the OP's choices in order of how reliable I think used examples might be (most reliable first, least reliable last).

Hyundai Terracan or Tuscon

Kia Sorento

Subaru Forester SH non turbo manual

Nissan Xtrail T31

Land rover Disco Landmark late 2004 TD5

What does everyone else think?
I'd agree with that.

stevemcs

8,592 posts

92 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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I’d put the disco above the x fail, I’d probably put the Subaru higher up too. At that price point I wouldn’t say the Kia or Hyundai would be that much more reliable. Parts wise they ain’t too bad, Kia/Hyundai seem to have more spares available, delivery is usually 2-3 days onodd stuff but normally next day.

They will feel very cheap inside though, clutches and fuel pumps seem to be common and then suspension parts.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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Countdown said:
I think you're missing the point by a country mile.

Yes you can get good or bad in ANY make. However reliability surveys will usually give you a good guide to what generally tends to be reliable, and what doesnt. Whilst I have a strong like for LR products I have never ever seen them top of any Reliability Survey. (Well, maybe once before I realised the list was in reverse order)

In terms of parts availability none of the brands mentioned are particularly rare so I doubt the OP would be left high and dry whilst Hyundai source a specialist part for him.
Hyundai are just the sort of car to have potential parts supply tbh.

Most expensive car I’ve owned was a Subaru. Cheapest is probably a Land Rover.