New model Hilux - cracking windscreens?

New model Hilux - cracking windscreens?

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BlueJ

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306 posts

44 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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I have been researching the new Hilux, specifically the 2.8 Invincible X, as a potential next purchase.

I've had a Hilux before and really appreciate the overall sense of reliability and robustness, and the new engine appeals compared to the previous 2.4.

I have come across an issue from owners on the Toyota forum - apparently there have been several incidents of windscreens cracking, even when vehicles are parked up on flat ground.

This suggests the windscreen is under a lot of pressure, or that there's some movement between the frame and the glass which eventually leads to the cracking.

Has anyone on here come across this?

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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The talk around the windscreen replacement industry campfire confirms what you're hearing.

I think it's on/near the locating dowels where the cracks are appearing.

JustGREENI

498 posts

179 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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Drilling the end of a crack as soon as possible will prevent further spread. Elite used to have a drill in their screen repair kits. It’s just a case of catching it early. Then ‘live’ with it.

normalbloke

7,401 posts

218 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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JustGREENI said:
Drilling the end of a crack as soon as possible will prevent further spread. Elite used to have a drill in their screen repair kits. It’s just a case of catching it early. Then ‘live’ with it.
Why on earth choose a vehicle where you might have to ‘live’ with a cracked or poorly repaired screen? Magnificent advice.

MustangGT

11,553 posts

279 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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normalbloke said:
Why on earth choose a vehicle where you might have to ‘live’ with a cracked or poorly repaired screen? Magnificent advice.
It is for the many people who already have one.

JustGREENI

498 posts

179 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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normalbloke said:
Magnificent advice.
Thank you, i thought so too.

BlueJ

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306 posts

44 months

Thursday 7th October 2021
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Thanks all for the feedback, much appreciated.

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

141 months

Wednesday 20th October 2021
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While there is an issue, I don't think it's nearly as common as reading online would suggest. I know a few people locally with them and no one has had any issues.

BlueJ

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306 posts

44 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Thanks s+r, it's good to have some perspective.

Turkish91

1,084 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Lets say it does it once a year/you can get away with replacing it just once a year... £75 windscreen excess each time. Not the end of the world really and wouldn't put me off. My Dad has had his for 9 months now with no issues. Wouldn't surprise me if the windscreen is structural. I know on the current Evoque they recommend not driving the car for 24-48hrs to let the adhesive fully firm up.

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Turkish91 said:
I know on the current Evoque they recommend not driving the car for 24-48hrs to let the adhesive fully firm up.
Who?

Turkish91

1,084 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Glassman said:
Who?
JLR. Certainly was on the early cars anyway, whether it's been addressed or not I don't know

Glassman

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214 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Turkish91 said:
Glassman said:
Who?
JLR. Certainly was on the early cars anyway, whether it's been addressed or not I don't know
I sub for four dealerships and haven't seen nor heard anything about this; in fact, replaced an Evoque windscreen on Monday. Other than the PUR manufacturer's recommended SDAT, no stipulation.

It may just be caution due to the type of fitment, or that they've had issues with misalignment (the screen sits on two tracks either side and there are two locator pins on the top corners. None of these should make a difference though).

Turkish91

1,084 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Glassman said:
Turkish91 said:
Glassman said:
Who?
JLR. Certainly was on the early cars anyway, whether it's been addressed or not I don't know
I sub for four dealerships and haven't seen nor heard anything about this; in fact, replaced an Evoque windscreen on Monday. Other than the PUR manufacturer's recommended SDAT, no stipulation.

It may just be caution due to the type of fitment, or that they've had issues with misalignment (the screen sits on two tracks either side and there are two locator pins on the top corners. None of these should make a difference though).
I guessed from your username you’d likely be very knowledgable on the subject! As I say I don’t know if it’s since been addressed, maybe it has but the early cars (as in just before public release) it was certainly the case. We had one clobber a seagull at speed on a test track in France and that car had to stay parked for two days after the new screen fitment on advice from work.

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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In the nineties, the trade was still learning about bonded windscreens. It was the new way of fitting windscreens. Then came rain sensors and airbags. The importance of SDATs (Safe Drive Away Time) became the focus, and in those days the PURs we used were several hours.

A 2k system was introduced to speed up the SDAT, but it became a selling point. For one PUR manufacturer to get the edge over their competitor, they had to come up with quicker curing times... and thus, fitting windscreens now feels like it is being sold like a pit-stop. This is particularly appealing to fleet truck operators where they now do not lose any time due to the truck being VOR due to windscreen damage. Rip the old one out, whack in the new and start the countdown.

Standing time on any vehicle is actually better as it removes urgency. Changing a windscreen should never be pitched or sold on time. Efficiency, perhaps but for anyone stating standing time, it's probably more about time on the job itself. Some cars simply cannot be rushed. A 993 windscreen should, by rights, be doable within an hour. However, it will easily take 3-5 if you allow for all the little nuances to do it without any subsequent issues.

Turkish91

1,084 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Glassman said:
In the nineties, the trade was still learning about bonded windscreens. It was the new way of fitting windscreens. Then came rain sensors and airbags. The importance of SDATs (Safe Drive Away Time) became the focus, and in those days the PURs we used were several hours.

A 2k system was introduced to speed up the SDAT, but it became a selling point. For one PUR manufacturer to get the edge over their competitor, they had to come up with quicker curing times... and thus, fitting windscreens now feels like it is being sold like a pit-stop. This is particularly appealing to fleet truck operators where they now do not lose any time due to the truck being VOR due to windscreen damage. Rip the old one out, whack in the new and start the countdown.

Standing time on any vehicle is actually better as it removes urgency. Changing a windscreen should never be pitched or sold on time. Efficiency, perhaps but for anyone stating standing time, it's probably more about time on the job itself. Some cars simply cannot be rushed. A 993 windscreen should, by rights, be doable within an hour. However, it will easily take 3-5 if you allow for all the little nuances to do it without any subsequent issues.
Thanks for broadening my knowledge, that's a great post. OT a bit but what's the worst vehicle you've done a screen on? In terms of just long or being a pain in the arse?

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Turkish91 said:
Thanks for broadening my knowledge, that's a great post. OT a bit but what's the worst vehicle you've done a screen on? In terms of just long or being a pain in the arse?
Long: a few. One which comes to mind is a Delahaye Type 235MS Coupé, especially the rear windscreen. It didn't feel like automotive glazing. Was more like cabinet making. A million and one slotted brass screws, different sizes for different parts of the frame.

PITA: TVR Tamora with new frame rubber. In the winter. An early 911 Targa rear windscreen with new rubber can also be a real test of your nerve and patience.

normalbloke

7,401 posts

218 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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Glassman, a question if I may? In our misguided youth, I remember buying some Loctite 319 rear view mirror glue/mesh. In the bumph, it said ‘Not suitable for a Mazda 121’ Why was that? And why not the Ford Fiesta that it actually was? It’s troubled us ever since!

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Thursday 21st October 2021
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normalbloke said:
Glassman, a question if I may? In our misguided youth, I remember buying some Loctite 319 rear view mirror glue/mesh. In the bumph, it said ‘Not suitable for a Mazda 121’ Why was that? And why not the Ford Fiesta that it actually was? It’s troubled us ever since!
Not sure why it would exclude the 121 as you say, it's a Freddie Fiesta. For either, I wouldn't be using any kind of adhesive TBH. A mirror pad is what is needed but like with most things, it's all in the prep.

The mesh system isn't that good. Perhaps overkill. Compare it to the stuff we use in the trade, and it makes it look like it's probably better suited to something other than bonding mirror bosses to windscreens. Also, the 121/Fiesta mirror is designed to be held on with a pad so that if you do knock it, it will shear off and not crack the windscreen. Bonding it on with mesh etc almost guarantees the screen will break.

Familymad

617 posts

216 months

Sunday 30th January 2022
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Are you local to Bucks…. want someone who knows their onions to change the rubber on my TD5 Defender front screen!?