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I’m looking at buying a 2012/2013 GC 3.0CRD and I’m wondering how reliable the 3.0 crd vm motori engines are? Being American most comments are focused around the petrol models etc
I believe the 5 speed gearbox is a Mercedes gearbox so generally the vehicles are pretty reliable with no major Achilles heals?
I believe the 5 speed gearbox is a Mercedes gearbox so generally the vehicles are pretty reliable with no major Achilles heals?
Edited by Tlandcruiser on Tuesday 1st February 13:17
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Make sure you buy the updated model, the one with the newer headlights.... In my experience it's like buying a different car!
Reviving thread... charging paddles.... CLEAR!Out of interest, what are the differences? I'm hovering around the 'S Limited' trim at the moment and they're largely 2013s with the slightly larger headlight.
I'm finding them quite hard vehicles to read up on because a lot of publications/threads make comparisons between WK and WK2 as 'new and old' interchangeably with newer and older WK2s.
One of the main things I can't quite get to the bottom of is if they switched from the 5 speed auto to the 8 speed in the WK2s lifetime or if they were in there for the start.
A friend has two from new as part of his business. Both bought brand new from a Jeep main dealer. One needed a new rack under warranty & the other killed its engine. Think death rattle. My local Chrysler specialist told him to get rid of that one.
They do astronomic miles, towing near their max limit & have otherwise been 100%. Terry generally reckons they're ok & the rattily one was a one off.
Not sure where you are but having a good indy on tap is always a good idea & Terry is brilliant for this stuff. He's based in the SE
They do astronomic miles, towing near their max limit & have otherwise been 100%. Terry generally reckons they're ok & the rattily one was a one off.
Not sure where you are but having a good indy on tap is always a good idea & Terry is brilliant for this stuff. He's based in the SE
Konan said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
Make sure you buy the updated model, the one with the newer headlights.... In my experience it's like buying a different car!
Reviving thread... charging paddles.... CLEAR!Out of interest, what are the differences? I'm hovering around the 'S Limited' trim at the moment and they're largely 2013s with the slightly larger headlight.
I'm finding them quite hard vehicles to read up on because a lot of publications/threads make comparisons between WK and WK2 as 'new and old' interchangeably with newer and older WK2s.
One of the main things I can't quite get to the bottom of is if they switched from the 5 speed auto to the 8 speed in the WK2s lifetime or if they were in there for the start.
WK drives like a wallowing pig- WK2 esp[ecially on air rides very well and handles well too! The interior is also a big upgrade.
The spec levels between s limited and overland are quite marked - just be aware.
PugwasHDJ80 said:
The differences between WK and WK2 are huge- i believe the platform used actually changed, but i could be wrong on that. I know that the engines, gearboxes, brakes, suspension, interior fittings and NVH all changed massively.
WK drives like a wallowing pig- WK2 esp[ecially on air rides very well and handles well too! The interior is also a big upgrade.
The spec levels between s limited and overland are quite marked - just be aware.
I'm aware that WK and WK2 are different beasts. More interested in if there are any major changes over the WK2 lifetime I should know about e.g. gearbox etcWK drives like a wallowing pig- WK2 esp[ecially on air rides very well and handles well too! The interior is also a big upgrade.
The spec levels between s limited and overland are quite marked - just be aware.
The closer I can get to a base spec, the happier I'll be
So long as it's got comfy (non leather) seats and working air con I'm just about good. I don't make much use of anything else so it's less to drag around and go wrong (looking at you, TPMS). I've been to see an S-limited and it's still 'packed' by my standards.Air sus worries me a bit, the one I went to see was defiantly pissing air out from somewhere when I left it parked.
We've owned a 2011 WK2 for the last eight years or so and have taken it from 25k to about 110k miles. Overall it's been pretty reliable - the engine has given no trouble at all. Our's is a 5 speed auto on steel springs, I believe they changed to 8 speed when they did the facelift in about 2013.
It tows really well, is comfortable, torquey and picks up it's heels well when needed; I've never felt the need for more power or torque.
There's been some niggly issues - the starter motor and alternator both failed, the rear tail glass lock release became erratic, DPF became clogged and the driver's door lock failed/stayed locked. It's on it's third set of discs and all calipers have been replaced. Oh, and a rear wheel bearing needed replacing too, and an air sensor in the engine. Parking brake shoes fall apart by themselves.
Getting parts, even from a main Jeep dealer can be an issue and they can be expensive - the sensor in the engine was £450+ and they still can't source the rear wheel bearing (I fitted a complete second-hand hub from a breaker). They're not that economical either - we're currently getting about 25mpg in mixed running (30-35 is achievable on long main road runs.)
The handling on steel springs can be a bit 'floaty' - fitting a set of Bilstein dampers helped with that.
Would I have another - yes, probably - our last vehicle was a Landcruiser and it wasn't without its own (sometimes as expensive) issues as well.
It's a lot of motor for the money, they're fairly discrete and they don't seem to have an 'image' problem.
It tows really well, is comfortable, torquey and picks up it's heels well when needed; I've never felt the need for more power or torque.
There's been some niggly issues - the starter motor and alternator both failed, the rear tail glass lock release became erratic, DPF became clogged and the driver's door lock failed/stayed locked. It's on it's third set of discs and all calipers have been replaced. Oh, and a rear wheel bearing needed replacing too, and an air sensor in the engine. Parking brake shoes fall apart by themselves.
Getting parts, even from a main Jeep dealer can be an issue and they can be expensive - the sensor in the engine was £450+ and they still can't source the rear wheel bearing (I fitted a complete second-hand hub from a breaker). They're not that economical either - we're currently getting about 25mpg in mixed running (30-35 is achievable on long main road runs.)
The handling on steel springs can be a bit 'floaty' - fitting a set of Bilstein dampers helped with that.
Would I have another - yes, probably - our last vehicle was a Landcruiser and it wasn't without its own (sometimes as expensive) issues as well.
It's a lot of motor for the money, they're fairly discrete and they don't seem to have an 'image' problem.
Konan said:
I'm aware that WK and WK2 are different beasts. More interested in if there are any major changes over the WK2 lifetime I should know about e.g. gearbox etc
The closer I can get to a base spec, the happier I'll be So long as it's got comfy (non leather) seats and working air con I'm just about good. I don't make much use of anything else so it's less to drag around and go wrong (looking at you, TPMS). I've been to see an S-limited and it's still 'packed' by my standards.
Air sus worries me a bit, the one I went to see was defiantly pissing air out from somewhere when I left it parked.
Probably looking for a Laredo then. Even Limited has leather. Laredo was a detuned version (188bhp) and there are very few in the UK.The closer I can get to a base spec, the happier I'll be
So long as it's got comfy (non leather) seats and working air con I'm just about good. I don't make much use of anything else so it's less to drag around and go wrong (looking at you, TPMS). I've been to see an S-limited and it's still 'packed' by my standards.Air sus worries me a bit, the one I went to see was defiantly pissing air out from somewhere when I left it parked.
Edited to add the change from 5 speed to 8 speed was for model year 2014 IIRC. The headlamp changed and the new one has a black part at the bottom. The engine was also updated to give an extra 10 bhp. The fuel consumption also improved a fair bit.
2014 standard gave 247 bhp and 'officially' 37.7 mpg, up from 34.0.
Edited by MustangGT on Thursday 2nd February 13:56
Thanks for all the info.
Sounds like I've been looking at the 5 speed ones. Not the end of the world but good to know.
For what it's worth, I'm centering on the S Limited trim as it has (i think) the higher output diesel and the SRT style seats with the suede type fabric and leather bolsters. I think it's a bit of a shot at 'wanna look like an SRT' overall, blacked out bits, less wood/chrome and 20" wheel rims.
Sounds like I've been looking at the 5 speed ones. Not the end of the world but good to know.
For what it's worth, I'm centering on the S Limited trim as it has (i think) the higher output diesel and the SRT style seats with the suede type fabric and leather bolsters. I think it's a bit of a shot at 'wanna look like an SRT' overall, blacked out bits, less wood/chrome and 20" wheel rims.
Konan said:
Thanks for all the info.
Sounds like I've been looking at the 5 speed ones. Not the end of the world but good to know.
For what it's worth, I'm centering on the S Limited trim as it has (i think) the higher output diesel and the SRT style seats with the suede type fabric and leather bolsters. I think it's a bit of a shot at 'wanna look like an SRT' overall, blacked out bits, less wood/chrome and 20" wheel rims.
IIRC the engine change was the same time as the gearbox, so, if it is a 5 speed it would be the 237 bhp engine, not the 247 bhp.Sounds like I've been looking at the 5 speed ones. Not the end of the world but good to know.
For what it's worth, I'm centering on the S Limited trim as it has (i think) the higher output diesel and the SRT style seats with the suede type fabric and leather bolsters. I think it's a bit of a shot at 'wanna look like an SRT' overall, blacked out bits, less wood/chrome and 20" wheel rims.
The 5 speed one has the Mercedes V6 diesel engine and gearbox, like the WK and WH did. The 8 speed is a VM engine, still a 3 litre V6, but a completely different thing. It does occasionally give bottom end troubles, although rare. It changed about 2013, when Jeep and Chrysler etc was sold on to Fiat Group.
Think i'm getting there
Up to 2013ish, bigger headlights Merc Diesel and gearbox. Cloth seats in the S Limited and Laredo (although i've not seen that one yet)
2014 facelift, VM diesel, ZF 8 speed. Found cloth in the Laredo and Nighthawk (Nighthawks being pricey at the mo) but also noticed they also put all the damn controls on the screen instead of buttons!
Can't have it all...
You can pretty much work out where the engines/boxes switch if you put the plate through and look at the CO2 figures.
Up to 2013ish, bigger headlights Merc Diesel and gearbox. Cloth seats in the S Limited and Laredo (although i've not seen that one yet)
2014 facelift, VM diesel, ZF 8 speed. Found cloth in the Laredo and Nighthawk (Nighthawks being pricey at the mo) but also noticed they also put all the damn controls on the screen instead of buttons!
Can't have it all...
You can pretty much work out where the engines/boxes switch if you put the plate through and look at the CO2 figures.
I still believe cloth is only available on Laredo. Limited are all leather, or, leather/alcantara (a type of suede leather).
Never heard of a Nighthawk, only a Night Eagle which was a special edition circa 2018.
I only know the UK market though, are you in the UK?
I believe there are less than 100 Laredo in the UK.
Never heard of a Nighthawk, only a Night Eagle which was a special edition circa 2018.
I only know the UK market though, are you in the UK?
I believe there are less than 100 Laredo in the UK.
It is Night Eagle, I got hawk in my head from the trail hawk / track hawk (we really need to let our friends in the US handle car names, they're so much more fun)
Alcantara is fine by me, as are leather bolsters, just so long as my arse isn't sat on leather I'm fine generally.
Yeah, I'm UK.
Alcantara is fine by me, as are leather bolsters, just so long as my arse isn't sat on leather I'm fine generally.
Yeah, I'm UK.
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