Loton Park National A Hill Climb 29th/30th September

[onomatopoeia]

Skylinecrazy said:

With 2012 gone, we also say goodbye to Lee Adams, who announced his retirement from the sport this weekend. (according to the commentary!)

GW Jr has advertised the car for sale, which would seem to confirm this. Yours for £50k.

[RESSE]

onomatopoeia said:

GW Jr has advertised the car for sale, which would seem to confirm this. Yours for £50k.

Could I borrow £49,995?

[RESSE]

Loton Park provisional dates for 2013:

13th/14th April
Midland Speed, HSA, Morgans, Welsh Association and motorcycles.

18th/19th May
Midland Championship plus Porsches and Mini Coopers.

8th/9th June
British Leaders and Midland Championships.

13th/14th July
Ferraris, Lotus, Reliant Scimitar, TR Register plus motorcycles.

10rh/11th August
Austin-Healey, Bugatti OC, Chester & Liverpool Motor Club, Longton, MG and TVR.

7th/8th Sept
Aston-Martin, HSA, Midland Speed, Nottingham MC, Lotus, Porsche and Westfield.

28th/29th September
Final round British Leaders & Midland Championships.

[Skylinecrazy]

RESSE said:

onomatopoeia said:

GW Jr has advertised the car for sale, which would seem to confirm this. Yours for £50k.

Could I borrow £49,995?

It must mean Jos' is ready for next season!

I think I've read that another driver has ordered a raptor too, so that could mean 3 on the hills next season.

The provisional dates for the British are the same as this year as far as I know..

[andylaurence]

Someone mentioned Rob Stevens is getting a Raptor, but I've not seen him advertise his Force. If he fits his "million horsepower engine" from the Force, the Raptor would be unstoppable in the <2000cc class.

[Skylinecrazy]

andylaurence said:

Someone mentioned Rob Stevens is getting a Raptor, but I've not seen him advertise his Force. If he fits his "million horsepower engine" from the Force, the Raptor would be unstoppable in the <2000cc class.

I read that too.

A supercharged raptor would put him right up there with Willis and Moran for the overalls IMO!

That force seems to break a bit though!

[andylaurence]

Yep, that's exactly my take on it too - the extra power would be enough to really bring it to the V8s. I make it about 1200bhp/ton with his engine in the Raptor, compared to about 1350bhp/ton in the Gould. The apex speed of the Raptor is visibly quicker in the medium speed corners. Of course, the big question if this rumour is true is whether he'll put cycle wings on it and run it in Sports Libre rather than the single seater class...

As for fragility, he's pushing almost 300bhp/litre from a production engine and following an untrodden path, so that's hardly surprising. Also, that Force is rather lightweight for a fully clothed libre car.

[CNHSS1]

RESSE said:

Could I borrow £49,995?

no good for you mate, raptors only 2wd and no turbo

although cross GWJs palm with many purple drinking vouchers and no doubt he'd sort that problem for ya too

[Adam205]

andylaurence said:

Yep, that's exactly my take on it too - the extra power would be enough to really bring it to the V8s. I make it about 1200bhp/ton with his engine in the Raptor, compared to about 1350bhp/ton in the Gould. The apex speed of the Raptor is visibly quicker in the medium speed corners. Of course, the big question if this rumour is true is whether he'll put cycle wings on it and run it in Sports Libre rather than the single seater class...

As for fragility, he's pushing almost 300bhp/litre from a production engine and following an untrodden path, so that's hardly surprising. Also, that Force is rather lightweight for a fully clothed libre car.

There's a minimum cockpit opening width for libre is there not?

One of the best aspects of the Raptor is the drivability, reliability and ease of the big 1600 hayabusa, and the way it can be packaged. I would wonder whether some of that would be lost with a forced induction engine, would it actually end up significantly faster? I suppose it could give it that extra edge on the power hills where the raptor has often lost out, but it might lose that simplicity and nimbleness that made it so competitive where it has been.

[Skylinecrazy]

I don't think it'll lose drivability, although it might become a lot more unreliable! Think the Summers' DJ. Although if Alex does most of the rounds next year, I think he'll get a number.

Any news of anymore GR59s being built? Heard there was another V6 Force about somewhere too.. (at least I swear one of the commentators said that!)

[RESSE]

CNHSS1 said:

no good for you mate, raptors only 2wd and no turbo

although cross GWJs palm with many purple drinking vouchers and no doubt he'd sort that problem for ya too

[Adam205]

Skylinecrazy said:

I don't think it'll lose drivability, although it might become a lot more unreliable! Think the Summers' DJ. Although if Alex does most of the rounds next year, I think he'll get a number.

Any news of anymore GR59s being built? Heard there was another V6 Force about somewhere too.. (at least I swear one of the commentators said that!)

THere is, of course, only one way to find out

As for GR59s, there is one more coming out in the near future in the hands of a driver that is recognised as one of the best!

[Skylinecrazy]

Adam205 said:

Skylinecrazy said:

I don't think it'll lose drivability, although it might become a lot more unreliable! Think the Summers' DJ. Although if Alex does most of the rounds next year, I think he'll get a number.

Any news of anymore GR59s being built? Heard there was another V6 Force about somewhere too.. (at least I swear one of the commentators said that!)

THere is, of course, only one way to find out

As for GR59s, there is one more coming out in the near future in the hands of a driver that is recognised as one of the best!

Secretive eh?

Martin Groves?
Paul Haimes?

It's a guessing game.

[Adam205]

Skylinecrazy said:

Secretive eh?

Martin Groves?
Paul Haimes?

It's a guessing game.

Not that secretive I don't think, but it seems like a fun game. You've already guessed it anyway!

[andylaurence]

Adam205 said:

There's a minimum cockpit opening width for libre is there not?

Not anymore. Simon McBeath ran an article in Racecar Engineering speculating on how the best could be made of that. Nobody's taken advantage yet as the Force LM is the closest anyone's come. Imagine that with a PC tub...

[Skylinecrazy]

http://www.zipp.co.uk/ZiPP-bhc2012.jpg

Nice picture on which to end the season on!

Bring on 2013.

[Skylinecrazy]

Looks like Steve Day has purchased the raptor then! Hopefully it'll still run in a few British rounds.