Cockpit protection for 2018 and T wing clamp down
Discussion
Looks like another reason to switch off, so far this season has been brilliant and it looks like the FIA want to try and kill it already, not saying the T wing and Shark fins are the main reason for the racing being so good, but what if they are? What if the regulations are only working out because of the Shark fin T wing areas?
Also looks like a mass trial of a shield this year with possible introduction of cockpit introduction next year, not sure what it is meant to achieve but for me I find one of the big draws to F1 is the open cockpit, now that we have lost big screaming engines that sounded amazing, to last year where they were bringing in the Verstappen rule to stop overtaking, now it looks like a real push to close the cockpit off a fair bit.
Source
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/244928/1/fia-reveals-...
Also looks like a mass trial of a shield this year with possible introduction of cockpit introduction next year, not sure what it is meant to achieve but for me I find one of the big draws to F1 is the open cockpit, now that we have lost big screaming engines that sounded amazing, to last year where they were bringing in the Verstappen rule to stop overtaking, now it looks like a real push to close the cockpit off a fair bit.
Source
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/244928/1/fia-reveals-...
If they want to protect the drivers from flying stuff then build an LMP1 car, F1 should always be open cockpit. Some odd looking shield wouldn't have prevented Jules Bianchi or Maria De Villota's injuries. The only incident in F1 that the shield would've helped would be Massa, and I can't see the shield deflecting the weight of a wheel and tyre at 130-140mph plus either
Do we know what the restrictions on the shark fins will be?
Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
I hated the halo device but it looks like that won't be happening. The beefier front windscreen idea was better, in my opinion. Hopefully that's what they are going with.
Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
I hated the halo device but it looks like that won't be happening. The beefier front windscreen idea was better, in my opinion. Hopefully that's what they are going with.
DanielSan said:
If they want to protect the drivers from flying stuff then build an LMP1 car, F1 should always be open cockpit. Some odd looking shield wouldn't have prevented Jules Bianchi or Maria De Villota's injuries. The only incident in F1 that the shield would've helped would be Massa, and I can't see the shield deflecting the weight of a wheel and tyre at 130-140mph plus either
I agree - halo or shield both seem to be a kneejerk response to the wrong accident.DanielSan said:
If they want to protect the drivers from flying stuff then build an LMP1 car, F1 should always be open cockpit. Some odd looking shield wouldn't have prevented Jules Bianchi or Maria De Villota's injuries. The only incident in F1 that the shield would've helped would be Massa, and I can't see the shield deflecting the weight of a wheel and tyre at 130-140mph plus either
There's nothing in the terms of a safety cage or cell that would have stopped Bianchi being killed, as we know he hit a 400 million ton digger at 130mph with his face.Just seems they want to get F1 back to what it was, but by ruining it further, the F1 fan watches it for open wheel, open cockpit racing and or parading, not to watch effectively LMP1 cars go around, wouldn't surprise me if they consider wheel covers because Taka Inoue got run over by a medical car
(sorry but that was funny)https://youtu.be/wCXEhf1pYtw
I had to have a chuckle at the BBC F1 website where it discussed the 'shield' and said that "some drivers and team bosses ... feel that its aesthetics are not appropriate for the sport."
After all, look at all the horrible excrescences that pepper F1 bodywork now, resulting in the ugliest cars of all time. And those aren't as essential for safety as a 'shield' is.
After all, look at all the horrible excrescences that pepper F1 bodywork now, resulting in the ugliest cars of all time. And those aren't as essential for safety as a 'shield' is.
It's meant to be but so is BTCC, in fact all motorsport as far as I'm aware apart from banger racing is meant to be non contact yet I'm all for a bit of wheel banging, spices up the show but one rub usually ends with numerous winglets and appendages flying in all directions and or a puncture
MG CHRIS said:
Isn't that btcc not f1 though. Thought racing was meant to be none contact.
It is none contact, they didn't slam into ya, they didn't bump ya, they didn't nudge ya.
Maybe it's time they actually asked the fans what we want to see and how to achieve it, not what a think tank want because of some mutterings on twitter read out by Shouty McShouterson Croft
Eric Mc said:
Do we know what the restrictions on the shark fins will be?
Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
I hated the halo device but it looks like that won't be happening. The beefier front windscreen idea was better, in my opinion. Hopefully that's what they are going with.
Eric, from this article: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129165...Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
I hated the halo device but it looks like that won't be happening. The beefier front windscreen idea was better, in my opinion. Hopefully that's what they are going with.
2017 regulations say thou shalt not put bodywork in the red blocked areas:
This is a variation on the rules that blocked the X wing Tyrrell and other various "winglet" add-ons ~20 years ago
Those naughty designers all said "hmm, it doesn't say anything about the bit in the middle....", ergo, shark fins..
New regs will specify no bodywork in the red area:
To be fair you can't blame the designers, they'er just out for gains that are (as the rules stand) legal. To my mind, this is why FIA shouldn't write the rulebook because they don't really have the technical insight. If you put those rules in front of someone like Brawn he'd spot what was possible and suggest it as a design route, just as he did with the double diffuser of the Honda/BGP era. In the case of the fins, FIA would have probably said they didn't want that and the rules amended.
Crafty_ said:
Eric, from this article: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/129165...
2017 regulations say thou shalt not put bodywork in the red blocked areas:
This is a variation on the rules that blocked the X wing Tyrrell and other various "winglet" add-ons ~20 years ago
Those naughty designers all said "hmm, it doesn't say anything about the bit in the middle....", ergo, shark fins..
New regs will specify no bodywork in the red area:
To be fair you can't blame the designers, they'er just out for gains that are (as the rules stand) legal. To my mind, this is why FIA shouldn't write the rulebook because they don't really have the technical insight. If you put those rules in front of someone like Brawn he'd spot what was possible and suggest it as a design route, just as he did with the double diffuser of the Honda/BGP era. In the case of the fins, FIA would have probably said they didn't want that and the rules amended.
Thank you.2017 regulations say thou shalt not put bodywork in the red blocked areas:
This is a variation on the rules that blocked the X wing Tyrrell and other various "winglet" add-ons ~20 years ago
Those naughty designers all said "hmm, it doesn't say anything about the bit in the middle....", ergo, shark fins..
New regs will specify no bodywork in the red area:
To be fair you can't blame the designers, they'er just out for gains that are (as the rules stand) legal. To my mind, this is why FIA shouldn't write the rulebook because they don't really have the technical insight. If you put those rules in front of someone like Brawn he'd spot what was possible and suggest it as a design route, just as he did with the double diffuser of the Honda/BGP era. In the case of the fins, FIA would have probably said they didn't want that and the rules amended.
Eric Mc said:
Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
How much more visible they'll be remains to be seen. Max Mosley was once quoted as saying he didn't want roundels on cars, but gave no reason as to why. Personally I'd be very happy to see all cars with a white roundel bearing a black number on the nose and another on each rear wing end plate to give us a fighting chance of knowing who we're looking at. I can think of no logical reason why the powers-that-be would object.MitchT said:
Eric Mc said:
Also, the move to make driver names and numbers more visible on the car has to be a good one.
How much more visible they'll be remains to be seen. Max Mosley was once quoted as saying he didn't want roundels on cars, but gave no reason as to why. Personally I'd be very happy to see all cars with a white roundel bearing a black number on the nose and another on each rear wing end plate to give us a fighting chance of knowing who we're looking at. I can think of no logical reason why the powers-that-be would object.I hadn't realised that the Vanwall streamliner existed until I was making my way back to my car at a Goodwood Festival of Speed one year. As I was walking up through the field behind the paddock, to my surprise, there was this Vanwall sitting there with full bodywork. I'd never known such a car existed.
The other streamliner is a Cooper by the way.
The other streamliner is a Cooper by the way.
DanielSan said:
and I can't see the shield deflecting the weight of a wheel and tyre at 130-140mph plus either
If it can't, they wont introduce it since that's one of the primary tests it has to pass.I'm not convinced about De Villota either - she hit the tail-lift on the back of a truck which would have been hinged; it would have taken relatively little force to lift it up so it missed her head.
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