Nankang NS2R Tyres question

Nankang NS2R Tyres question

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Erich Stahler

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2,878 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I have 4 of the above, 2 have the "E" mark required by the MSA, the other 2 have an "SNI" mark in the same place, which is apparently Indonesian equivalent standard marking, I have my first race on August 12th so don't know if scrutineers will allow the "SNI" marked tyres?

Trev450

6,321 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I've never actually seen a scrut inspect tyre markings, but is that a gamble you want to take. smile

Erich Stahler

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2,878 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Think it not an issue, took a wheel off and notices has SNI mark on one side and E4 om the other, being directional tyres you see a different tyre face each side of the car.

Trev450

6,321 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Problem solved. smile

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Never seen a scruit look at tyres, even when they are like slicks.


Fishy Dave

1,026 posts

245 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Thurbs said:
Never seen a scruit look at tyres, even when they are like slicks.
....note to self......check out Richards tyres next time out..... wink

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Thurbs said:
Never seen a scruit look at tyres, even when they are like slicks.
Maybe not, but as a former series co-ordinator, I certainly did!

Oilchange

8,461 posts

260 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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If you are running a control tyre then I expect Scrutineers would but races that require generic List 1b less so.

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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The NS-2 took me to victory a couple of weekends ago on a dry to wet track: http://youtu.be/NZJc1wK7Hfc?t=8m10s

Timings: http://tsl-timing.com/file/?f=CSCC/2017/172964fuc....

Look from page 12 for the lap times in the race. It only got properly wet about lap 10.

Quick in the dry, only 0.7s off the AR-1 and in the wet they were awesome. Communicative, kept their heat, no aquaplaning and were progressive with slip angles.

Dave will be pleased to note they had loads of tread left on them when I finished! smile



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Erich Stahler

Original Poster:

2,878 posts

270 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Thurbs said:
The NS-2 took me to victory a couple of weekends ago on a dry to wet track: http://youtu.be/NZJc1wK7Hfc?t=8m10s

Timings: http://tsl-timing.com/file/?f=CSCC/2017/172964fuc....

Look from page 12 for the lap times in the race. It only got properly wet about lap 10.

Quick in the dry, only 0.7s off the AR-1 and in the wet they were awesome. Communicative, kept their heat, no aquaplaning and were progressive with slip angles.

Dave will be pleased to note they had loads of tread left on them when I finished! smile



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That's very encouraging to hear!


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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For my education, I don't race in the UK, so not sure of practice, but how can the scrutiner look at tyres? I wouldn't dream of driving my car to the scrutiners box with the actual tyres I intend to race on, I keep an old set for that sort of thing, if I'm in the end pit it is nearly 2km to drive to the other end where the scrutineering is and the back of the pits road is covered in rubbish marbles etc.

The series I race in are open on tyres but has a width limit, that is checked by the series organizer, who is around the pits the entire weekend, I'm sure if I put something to wide on the rack he would pick that up.

Fishy Dave

1,026 posts

245 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Thurbs said:
Dave will be pleased to note they had loads of tread left on them when I finished! smile
Did you notice me looking at your tyres in assembly? hehe

Well done on your result, really pleased for you Richard. smile

Oilchange

8,461 posts

260 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Yeah, come to think of it why would a scrutineer check the tyres. They are there to make sure the cars meet msa safety requirements, not the race regs...

Berw said:
For my education, I don't race in the UK, so not sure of practice, but how can the scrutiner look at tyres? I wouldn't dream of driving my car to the scrutiners box with the actual tyres I intend to race on, I keep an old set for that sort of thing, if I'm in the end pit it is nearly 2km to drive to the other end where the scrutineering is and the back of the pits road is covered in rubbish marbles etc.

The series I race in are open on tyres but has a width limit, that is checked by the series organizer, who is around the pits the entire weekend, I'm sure if I put something to wide on the rack he would pick that up.

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Oilchange said:
Yeah, come to think of it why would a scrutineer check the tyres. They are there to make sure the cars meet msa safety requirements, not the race regs...
Race regs are still checked by scrutineers, just at a different time. When you come in to parc ferme and you dont have any tread left you could very easily be excluded. Never seen it happen mind...

Oilchange

8,461 posts

260 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Do you have to have a certain amount of tread at the end of the race? I thought they required 1.6mil to start only...

Steve H

5,280 posts

195 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Thurbs said:
Race regs are still checked by scrutineers, just at a different time. When you come in to parc ferme and you dont have any tread left you could very easily be excluded. Never seen it happen mind...
Happened last year with 750 at Oulton, one guy got (wrongly) excluded because the labelling on the tyre was slightly different from the description in the Blue Book, this was overturned on appeal.

I've also seen a front running car excluded this season for going out on wets when they should have been on list tyres and I've seen other cars caught trying the same prior to the race - they were just reminded of the regs and did arrive at the grid on the correct rubber.

ETA, just re-read what you wrote Thurbs, I haven't seen any biffed for tread either boxedin

Fishy Dave

1,026 posts

245 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Oilchange said:
Do you have to have a certain amount of tread at the end of the race? I thought they required 1.6mil to start only...
A scrutineer was checking tread depth with a gauge last weekend before PBMW qualifying, first time I've seen that happen.

Erich Stahler

Original Poster:

2,878 posts

270 months

Wednesday 13th September 2017
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Thurbs said:
The NS-2 took me to victory a couple of weekends ago on a dry to wet track: http://youtu.be/NZJc1wK7Hfc?t=8m10s

Timings: http://tsl-timing.com/file/?f=CSCC/2017/172964fuc....

Look from page 12 for the lap times in the race. It only got properly wet about lap 10.

Quick in the dry, only 0.7s off the AR-1 and in the wet they were awesome. Communicative, kept their heat, no aquaplaning and were progressive with slip angles.

Dave will be pleased to note they had loads of tread left on them when I finished! smile



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Meant to ask were you using the 100 treadwear compound?

Thurbs

2,780 posts

222 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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We are using the softest compound possible. I think the M3s are on the harder compound as they go out mostly in the dry.

geeks

9,178 posts

139 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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We (as in the BMW Compact Cup) use the NS2R, we use the 180 compound. It seems counter productive but its actually better in the wet than the softer compound. Tread blocks don't move around as much under braking/cornering so disperse water out a bit better. Same reason applies to the dry. However also worth noting we don't allow tyre shaving so this makes a difference. If you are allowed to shave them then the softer compound maybe better.

The M3's use the harder AR-1, the 330's too!