New 4 round sprint series

[Ross Parker]

Hi folks,

Just thought id let you know about a new sprint series hosted by Slip&Grip.

Its over 4 rounds with classes covering production, kit and highly modified cars. 3 rounds are held at a Tarmac rally stage in mid wales with different layouts and the final round at Castle Combe on Nov 3rd.

The series is reasonably priced and the simple but safe rules and regs should cater for many drivers and cars. get involved!

https://www.slipandgripautomotive.co.uk/event/spri...

[Drumroll]

SAFE? no rescue unit, Only first aiders, no paramedic. If that's safe I don't want to be part of it.

[Weslake-Monza]

So this is not an MSA licensed event and has no public liability insurance?

[radical78]

read it properly they have insurance and doesn't have to be msa to be safe ive done non msa events before and they are fine there are other organisations

[Drumroll]

It's safe until something goes wrong.

[Trev450]

Isn't there a clause in the MSA licencing T&C's that states they have the right to withdraw your competition licence if you participate in non-sanctioned MSA events?

[Wingo]

If the MSA banned anyone taking part in non MSA events then that would be half the karting grids gone. Plenty of non msa sanctioned motorsport about.

The MSA is not the only game in town and despite what they would have you believe other organisations can officially sanction off road motorsport.

AFAIK the MSA threat has been quietly dropped in more recent years.

Yes there are some events that have to be MSA sanctioned but sprinting is not one of them.

Javelin run a sprint series, the MLR used to run one, I'm sure there could be others as well.

Wingo.

[Dave Brand]

"Only Marshals and media are permitted to view out on stage and must sign a waver (sic) and have a high vis"

Maybe they should require proof of adequate insurance cover. At MSA-sanctioned events personal accident cover is provided for marshals.

[Trev450]

Wingo said:

If the MSA banned anyone taking part in non MSA events then that would be half the karting grids gone. Plenty of non msa sanctioned motorsport about.

The MSA is not the only game in town and despite what they would have you believe other organisations can officially sanction off road motorsport.

AFAIK the MSA threat has been quietly dropped in more recent years.

Yes there are some events that have to be MSA sanctioned but sprinting is not one of them.

Javelin run a sprint series, the MLR used to run one, I'm sure there could be others as well.

Wingo.

I am aware that there are other sprint series, but was looking for clarification regarding MSA licence requirements. Hopefully what you state in your third sentence is now the case.

[Wingo]

Couldn't find anything in the Blue book or on the licence application form that might cause concern about taking part in non MSA sanctioned motorsport.

I'd have no worries on the licence score unless someone can point to an MSA reg that says its a deffo no no.

Didn't some touring car drivers take part in a short oval hot rod race last year? don't think that,s MSA sanctioned.

http://aidenmoffat.com/article/BTCC-drivers-in-Nat...

Wingo.

[coppice]

Sign a waver (sic ) eh ? Maybe somebody should tell them that anything which purports to waive your right to recover damages for injury caused by others' negligence is legally ineffective. Elf and Safety gone mad? Hardly - the law has said as such for the last 40 years..

[andrewcliffe]

Some non-MSA sanctioned events use IOPD for licensing.

I was a photographer for one of these, and I provided my own PLI insurance. It was required anyway for most race circuits anyway.

The Javelin sprint series appear to be well run with marshals and ambulances on site.

[Weslake-Monza]

radical78 said:

read it properly they have insurance and doesn't have to be msa to be safe ive done non msa events before and they are fine there are other organisations

I read it properly. I never said only MSA events could be safe, I only wanted to know whether or not it was an MSA event. I also didn't ask if they had insurance, but rather whether or not they had public liability insurance.

You are the person who needs to learn to read properly.

[JimmyDrama1]

Weslake-Monza said:

So this is not an MSA licensed event and has no public liability insurance?

You can have Insurance and run events not under the MSA

[Ross Parker]

Hi Chaps,

Sorry I havn't responded its been a busy few weeks of events and prepping cars.

As some of you have confirmed there is no requirement to run alongside a governing body as long as the event is run on private land. Just because we don't run alongside the MSA this does not make the event unsafe. We have been running events for several years and take our members safety very seriously. The events have marshals, first aiders and the correct procedures to make sure everyone at the event is as safe as possible. We have public liability specific to competitive events we offer. Marcshals are covered by the insurance and media must have there own liability as per most motorsport events. We don't allow public admittance to sprint series to reduce the chances of possible accidents and injury to anyone attending.

I contacted the event director at MSA myself to confirm we don't need to be regulated by them. They also confirmed that any MSA licenced drivers are more than welcome to compete in non MSA events without risk of loosing their MSA licence. If you are interested in competing with us but want to confirm this yourself please call the MSA direct.

Thanks to those who have shown an interest. And no thanks to the usual keyboard warriors who need to do there research properly first before making accusations of unsafe events etc, Your incorrect comments can be very damaging to potential new events.

[Ross Parker]

radical78 said:

read it properly they have insurance and doesn't have to be msa to be safe ive done non msa events before and they are fine there are other organisations

Thanks nice to see some do their research before piping up with false comments.

[Ross Parker]

coppice said:

Sign a waver (sic ) eh ? Maybe somebody should tell them that anything which purports to waive your right to recover damages for injury caused by others' negligence is legally ineffective. Elf and Safety gone mad? Hardly - the law has said as such for the last 40 years..

I don't know if you have been to a trackday or competed recently but all such events will require you to sign a waiver form.

[Drumroll]

Ross Parker said:

Hi Chaps,

Sorry I havn't responded its been a busy few weeks of events and prepping cars.

As some of you have confirmed there is no requirement to run alongside a governing body as long as the event is run on private land. Just because we don't run alongside the MSA this does not make the event unsafe. We have been running events for several years and take our members safety very seriously. The events have marshals, first aiders and the correct procedures to make sure everyone at the event is as safe as possible. We have public liability specific to competitive events we offer. Marcshals are covered by the insurance and media must have there own liability as per most motorsport events. We don't allow public admittance to sprint series to reduce the chances of possible accidents and injury to anyone attending.

I contacted the event director at MSA myself to confirm we don't need to be regulated by them. They also confirmed that any MSA licenced drivers are more than welcome to compete in non MSA events without risk of loosing their MSA licence. If you are interested in competing with us but want to confirm this yourself please call the MSA direct.

Thanks to those who have shown an interest. And no thanks to the usual keyboard warriors who need to do there research properly first before making accusations of unsafe events etc, Your incorrect comments can be very damaging to potential new events.

So because i disagree with you I am a keyboard warrior. IMHO not having a rescue unit or at the very least a paramedic makes this type event unsafe.

If you think it is so safe just answer this simple question what does your event do if a driver has an accident and is trapped in the vehicle?

[Ross Parker]

I did not name you specifically Drumroll. Your opinion is your opinion so that's up to you what you enter or don't enter. People who are genuinely interested in the series are more than welcome to DM me with any questions they need answering but I shall not waste my time answering questions from people who are simply trying to be awkward and have too much time on their hands.

Mobile cutting equipment is something that we will have to consider absolutely for the very rare occasion that someone may get trapped in a car. Also knowing the arrival times of emergency services to each venue will be taken into consideration in our risk assessments.

[Ross Parker]

For your information the first 3 rounds of the series I run at the same venue with different layouts. the local fire station is under 15mins drive at Tregaron which have the correct equipment for cutting people out of cars. Our last round at Combe we have paid for a package that includes medics and recovery. I think you will find though that there are very few motorsport events in the UK that have cutting equipment for cars on site, considering you are probably into several hundred thousand pounds of equipment atleast.